Upgraded T04 turbos for less $ than stock! Wtf? Link inside

[Mightbaal]

Forget about the shoddy balancing or basic bearings, if they have a TD03L turbine wheel (as they likely do) with a 16T compressor they will make about 475-500rwhp on a well tuned ethanol car for about 250-1,000 miles, at which point they'll start leaking oil like a sieve and by about 2-3k miles you'll be at the point of tossing them in the garbage when no one responds to your email about a warranty replacement on your junk $800 turbo purchase. Sorry for the negativity just felt compelled to be a crystal ball on this one, by all means give it a whirl and report back.

Rob

If that be the reality of it credit cards will protect you from fraud if they claim a set warranty and say they go out in a few weeks. All you simply do is simply call the credit card company and explain exactly what happened they may want you to send them back but you WILL get your money back. I think the protection is up to 6 months with any Credit Card. I wouldn't buy these without a at least a 6 month guarantee. But how are the other cheaper reputable turbo companies doing? I heard the Vargas GC are garbage by alot of people. What about RB Hexxon MMP etc?

 

[Rob@RBTurbo]

If that be the reality of it credit cards will protect you from fraud if they claim a set warranty and say they go out in a few weeks. All you simply do is simply call the credit card company and explain exactly what happened they may want you to send them back but you WILL get your money back. I think the protection is up to 6 months with any Credit Card. I wouldn't buy these without a at least a 6 month guarantee. But how are the other cheaper reputable turbo companies doing? I heard the Vargas GC are garbage by alot of people. What about RB Hexxon MMP etc?

Perhaps it just comes with a bit more life experiences, but typically when you go into a purchase knowingly "hugging" the chargeback "trigger"; it is a fairly good sign you are making a mistake with a purchase.

Regarding chargebacks they indeed protect you from fraud, which in clearest form is non-delivery of products. You'd likely get your products, so that would no longer be an argument. The argument then would be what caused the turbos to fail, this typically is up the manufacturer to determine and if they wish to contest it in anyway it is not a sure thing to be rewarded the chargeback. Additionally prior to any of that you'd still be required to send the units back to somewhere in China for inspection (~$200-$400 pending on services chosen), then awaiting their verdict on the ordeal ($?), then shipping them back at the same shipping costs to try again.

All in all it is a slippery slope for you but by all means give it a try... just do not disappear so those watching can get an extremely clear view of it all.

Rob

 

[Mightbaal]

Perhaps it just comes with a bit more life experiences, but typically when you go into a purchase knowingly "hugging" the chargeback "trigger"; it is a fairly good sign you are making a mistake with a purchase.

Regarding chargebacks they indeed protect you from fraud, which in clearest form is non-delivery of products. You'd likely get your products, so that would no longer be an argument. The argument then would be what caused the turbos to fail, this typically is up the manufacturer to determine and if they wish to contest it in anyway it is not a sure thing to be rewarded the chargeback. Additionally prior to any of that you'd still be required to send the units back to somewhere in China for inspection (~$200-$400 pending on services chosen), then awaiting their verdict on the ordeal ($?), then shipping them back at the same shipping costs to try again.

All in all it is a slippery slope for you but by all means give it a try... just do not disappear so those watching can get an extremely clear view of it all.

Rob

https://www.creditcards.com/credit-card-news/purchase-protection-benefits.php


"One good but little-known reason to wield your credit card when making purchases is to take advantage of purchase protection.
Putting a purchase on the right piece of plastic may help you have it replaced if what you buy is damaged or stolen, get a refund for an unsatisfactory product or service, or even extend the manufacturer’s warranty without paying a dime for the added protection."

 

[Rob@RBTurbo]

https://www.creditcards.com/credit-card-news/purchase-protection-benefits.php


"One good but little-known reason to wield your credit card when making purchases is to take advantage of purchase protection.
Putting a purchase on the right piece of plastic may help you have it replaced if what you buy is damaged or stolen, get a refund for an unsatisfactory product or service, or even extend the manufacturer’s warranty without paying a dime for the added protection."

"May"

Anyhoo, Get R dun!

 

[Mightbaal]

Reason i know this is i used to buy bulk and resell on eBay from dhgate.com. Back when I used to sell on eBay I bought over 400 ecig mods that started failing on my customers as early as a couple weeks. I called my CC company they said I didn't even need to send back the remaining products and gave me the entire purchase back on my card.

 

[Rob@RBTurbo]

Reason i know this is i used to buy bulk and resell on eBay from dhgate.com. Back when I used to sell on eBay I bought over 400 ecig mods that started failing on my customers as early as a couple weeks. I called my CC company they said I didn't even need to send back the remaining products and gave me the entire purchase back on my card.

Good deal for your past experience.

We are a merchant as well and also know the system and can say that it all depends on if the merchant wishes to dispute the chargeback. You may or may not know this (many do not) but the credit card companies do not typically pay for anything- they just pull the charge back from the merchants account and give the merchant a chance for a rebuttal to get it back. If the merchant doesn't reply, the purchaser wins, the credit card company still gets their rake; and everyone is happy aside for the merchant who lost the costs of the product/shipping AND all credit card fees affiliated with the order. Ultimately I am telling you that you are banking on that the merchant will not have any rebuttal, maybe they will maybe the will not and there are no guarantees. Of course the shipping, the labor, the gaskets, the fluids, the weeks upon weeks of downtime, the affiliated heartache, the credit card war; is all avoidable by just not going in to be the guinea pig in the first place. Knowing what we know about these turbos, quite frankly you'd deserve every bit of the drama having been fairly warned.

Back to the credit card protection if it were as easy as pie as you'd think, nearly every consumer would be dissatisfied with nearly anything they purchase and attempt to always get their money back; and the unscrupulous types of the world would even have even more of a hay day than they do already. It's good insurance for the consumer, but it isn't perfect.

All said you may want to start by seeing if they'll even take your credit card. They may not even take it in the first place and this entire convo is essentially meaningless in this scenario.

Rob

 

[N54QC]

Reason i know this is i used to buy bulk and resell on eBay from dhgate.com. Back when I used to sell on eBay I bought over 400 ecig mods that started failing on my customers as early as a couple weeks. I called my CC company they said I didn't even need to send back the remaining products and gave me the entire purchase back on my card.

It seems to me that you have already made your mind up on going Chinese turbos since you are making justification for everything people are trying to steer you away from doing. Like Rob said, go for it and report back....

 

[fmorelli]

We can't even get a clear line of sight on reliability of "name" vendor turbos ... and one wants to go through this hassle for the chargeback route to see if one gets lucky? I mean ... lottery tickets might be better?

Filippo

 

[Mightbaal]

I'm not even going to upgrade until my stockers fail. Been running 22-24 psi for a year and before that 19 psi. If they don't blow this summer I will be surprised but somethings gota go soon I would think 77k hard miles on them and I am rough on them I low rpm spool them up just because the sound of everything is so intoxicating to me. I have no problem going with an expensive twin turbo upgrade from a "reputable company" but I have no clue who that even is. They put shady things in the warranty of turbos like "warranty can be voided if a negative review is left" so who even knows what is the most reliable...

 

[Mightbaal]

Seems like these are the same as Alibaba.... 1 year warranty they say... https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https://www.ebay.com/ulk/itm/282862334964

 

[doublespaces]

All you simply do is simply call the credit card company and explain exactly what happened they may want you to send them back but you WILL get your money back.

And as someone who has worked in the merchant processing industry, has many merchant processing accounts and has been living solely off a residual income from it the last four years, processing many hundreds of transactions per week, I can say that is not really true.

When you contact your card issuer(Your bank or your lender) to dispute the charges, what they provide to you is a merely a provisional credit. That dispute will then get sent over to the acquiring bank(The seller) as a chargeback where the seller will be deducted those funds from their account, and the issuing bank will be reimbursed. Most people understand up to this point.

From here, the seller must decide to reply to the dispute or accept the charges. If they reply to the dispute, it is quite possible for them to win and the funds will be removed again from your account and this is called second presentment. If you decide to dispute it again under a different reason code for example, you may do an arbitration chargeback. If the seller feels they can win, they will open up an arbitration case where your bank can no longer protect you, and the case will be decided by the card network, such as MasterCard, Visa, etc. The loser pays $400-500+. I've sent many people home packing with the original bill and in excess of $700 in fees because they lost plus any exploitation of the dispute process is $100 a pop. Technically, many people are actually committing credit card fraud when they file these disputes.

The reason American Express is always touted as the best in terms of fraud protection, is because they are not only the lender(Centurion Bank) but they are also their own processing network. They are the judge and jury. This is not the case with your bank or credit cards, you've never borrowed a penny from Visa or MasterCard.

You might get a provisional credit from your friendly bank since you're their customer, but if the merchant wants to take you to town, you won't have so much luck, and your statement "WILL get your money back" is a long shot from being accurate.

 

[Mightbaal]

And as someone who has worked in the merchant processing industry, has many merchant processing accounts and has been living solely off a residual income from it the last four years, processing many hundreds of transactions per week, I can say that is not really true.

When you contact your card issuer(Your bank or your lender) to dispute the charges, what they provide to you is a merely a provisional credit. That dispute will then get sent over to the acquiring bank(The seller) as a chargeback where the seller will be deducted those funds from their account, and the issuing bank will be reimbursed. Most people understand up to this point.

From here, the seller must decide to reply to the dispute or accept the charges. If they reply to the dispute, it is quite possible for them to win and the funds will be removed again from your account and this is called second presentment. If you decide to dispute it again under a different reason code for example, you may do an arbitration chargeback. If the seller feels they can win, they will open up an arbitration case where your bank can no longer protect you, and the case will be decided by the card network, such as MasterCard, Visa, etc. The loser pays $400-500+. I've sent many people home packing with the original bill and in excess of $700 in fees because they lost plus any exploitation of the dispute process is $100 a pop. Technically, many people are actually committing credit card fraud when they file these disputes.

The reason American Express is always touted as the best in terms of fraud protection, is because they are not only the lender(Centurion Bank) but they are also their own processing network. They are the judge and jury. This is not the case with your bank or credit cards, you've never borrowed a penny from Visa or MasterCard.

You might get a provisional credit from your friendly bank since you're their customer, but if the merchant wants to take you to town, you won't have so much luck, and your statement "WILL get your money back" is a long shot from being accurate.

Like I said I have only done this once before when I sold stuff on eBay and China sent me a bad batch many years ago. If this eBay listing says 1 year warranty like it does and they fail before that it would be hard to dispute imo...

 

[doublespaces]

Like I said I have only done this once before when I sold stuff on eBay and China sent me a bad batch many years ago. If this eBay listing says 1 year warranty like it does and they fail before that it would be hard to dispute imo...

Don't get me wrong, I fully support the chargeback system when there is fraud or misrepresentation. Buy a set and report back, I'm very interested to see the results.

 

[Mightbaal]

Btw i asked him about the TD04 thing here is what he said...

 

[stelvio]

Btw i asked him about the TD04 thing here is what he said...

That screenshot should be enough to end this thread on garbage turbos. Buy some yourself and report back.

 

[langsbr]

Why are you communicating with them on ebay instead of Ali? You likely have better protection from Ali than ebay. If you order them on Ali, and they show up and are not td04s, don't accept it and do a dispute with Ali. The vendor will say to ship it back, you say sure if they pay. They won't want to, because it's insanely expensive to send back to China. They will likely just eat the set and you will get your money back from Ali, and have a set of cheapo turbos that aren't what they said. The vendor is probably losing maybe 100 bucks in parts. Not worth the shipping to get them back.

 

[Rob@RBTurbo]

We can't even get a clear line of sight on reliability of "name" vendor turbos ... and one wants to go through this hassle for the chargeback route to see if one gets lucky? I mean ... lottery tickets might be better?

Filippo

Every week of every month of every year we ship out at least 3 sets of turbos (lately 7+). For the past 1.5 years of shipments we have had a 0% failure rate. This is a perk of being one of the few in the nation with the best cutting edge balancing equipment utilized on site along with a lot of experience. Anyway you can do the math on this one, and the line of sight doesn't get much clearer than this...

And as someone who has worked in the merchant processing industry, has many merchant processing accounts and has been living solely off a residual income from it the last four years, processing many hundreds of transactions per week, I can say that is not really true.

When you contact your card issuer(Your bank or your lender) to dispute the charges, what they provide to you is a merely a provisional credit. That dispute will then get sent over to the acquiring bank(The seller) as a chargeback where the seller will be deducted those funds from their account, and the issuing bank will be reimbursed. Most people understand up to this point.

From here, the seller must decide to reply to the dispute or accept the charges. If they reply to the dispute, it is quite possible for them to win and the funds will be removed again from your account and this is called second presentment. If you decide to dispute it again under a different reason code for example, you may do an arbitration chargeback. If the seller feels they can win, they will open up an arbitration case where your bank can no longer protect you, and the case will be decided by the card network, such as MasterCard, Visa, etc. The loser pays $400-500+. I've sent many people home packing with the original bill and in excess of $700 in fees because they lost plus any exploitation of the dispute process is $100 a pop. Technically, many people are actually committing credit card fraud when they file these disputes.

The reason American Express is always touted as the best in terms of fraud protection, is because they are not only the lender(Centurion Bank) but they are also their own processing network. They are the judge and jury. This is not the case with your bank or credit cards, you've never borrowed a penny from Visa or MasterCard.

You might get a provisional credit from your friendly bank since you're their customer, but if the merchant wants to take you to town, you won't have so much luck, and your statement "WILL get your money back" is a long shot from being accurate.

Every once in a while on the internet you find someone who actually knows what they are talking about. This is one of those hard to find moments. Good post.

Btw i asked him about the TD04 thing here is what he said...

This is quite possibly the most humorous post in the thread, and the perfect example of the blind leading the blind.

That screenshot should be enough to end this thread on garbage turbos. Buy some yourself and report back.

Not really. It "could" be argued that they are TD04L even if they are not. Why? Because they have a compressor wheel that is affiliated with the TD04L shaft. Worse yet the only pictures we have seen of the turbine illustrate an OEM TD03L Turbine, so we'd need to see an accurate picture of the turbine wheel to see if it is a TD04 size "equivalent". Right now we can tell you right now that it is not a TD04 CHRA nor is a a true TD04L shaft as you have to have a TD04 Centersection to get that technically. This is one of those great things about how difficult it is to separate deep meaningful technical discussions from general overview discussion, then add in language barriers and then you really are having some fun.

Once again a slippery slope and if you all want to buy turbos from those who have zero idea about turbo upgrades, or rather those who attempt to copy things they find on the internet from other clowns who do not know what they are doing then have at it- but again don't forget to report back.

To the OP we will even give you an incentive by buying your old OEM turbos back from you, hopefully it'll get the ball rolling on this train wreck to come. Shoot an email over if interested.

Rob

 

[JuniorB]

Ok, now that we have the cc shit straight, who's buying them. What's the worst, you take them back off??? Covered! Besides, isn't the FB turbos based off the same idea?

 

[buster84]

I've seen this guy post the same post on multiple forums... obviously you really want these Chinese turbos so what's stopping You? Just buy them, report back with your progress. Posting on multiple forums will yield the same results (it's Chinese crap and your better off buying a lottery tickey) but I'm not going to say don't do it. I say do it so this thread can move onto, "I installed Chinese turbos and these are my results."

 

[veer90]

"I installed Chinese turbos and these are my results."