Honest opinions on MMP1k

[MoreBoost]

So I may be looking at getting new twin turbos in the not too distant future.
What is the honest feeedback/opinion on the mmp 1ks?

Do they spool too slowly for street driving? They spool slower than most twins it sounds like, so how do they compare to a single?

Are they reliable?
It sounds like they don't last and you can't speak out, otherwise you lose all support by the vendor. I also hear NDAs are signed when help is required. This is making me think I should stay away.

 

[NoQuarter]

This is your only choice? Not considering any others?

 

[Rob09msport]

You kinda summed it up already. Go with gut. Panzerfaust had good experience but time will tell.

 

[Panzerfaust]

As one of the few (if not only) routinely active members here and as someone active on FB that has them, I can say I'm very happy with my choice and wouldn't have gone another route if I was given another chance. Other's opinions are going to be second-hand and hearsay.

Spool is a tiny bit slower than stock turbos yes, but not laggy at all - if I put my car in sport mode (or drive in M and keep the cruise RPMs at about 2k), its basically instantly building boost the second I touch the gas pedal. They also love to hold peak boost all the way up until my shift points (~7-7.2k RPM) unlike smaller turbos would be capable of. They've been this way all ~18k miles I've put on them, without issue. Lots of people on FB have had the same experience as me as well, and MMP turbos seem to be the only option people pick when wanting to be competitive at drag racing or make peak power levels close to/the same as a larger single turbo.

I certainly never signed any NDA nor have I ever seen any actual evidence of one when someone required support. Im pretty sure that's just a bullshit Facebook rumor. As a matter of fact, Mauricio has been one of the most helpful owner's I've dealt with when I had questions on my install and ran into issues of my own design, not once did he ever ignore me or tell me to keep quiet and his response time was usually less than 24 hours.

 

[nyt]

MMP is a hack and his turbos are junk. I think there's a thread on bummerboost with a whole bunch of people he's screwed over.

 

[tisdrew]

In my experience with stage 3's, Mauricio and Eugene were great to work with and even when I needed my turbos fixed under warranty I didn't sign any sort of NDA so I would mirror Panzer's conclusion that NDAs are a bullshit rumor or at least not the norm in 2018/2019.

 

[JMVELA]

MMP is a hack and his turbos are junk. I think there's a thread on bummerboost with a whole bunch of people he's screwed over.

I have has good experience dealing with Mauricio. He is always willing to help and assist in any manner he can. My turbos, form MMP are great!!

 

[MRC-5.56]

I dont have the 1k's but have been enjoying a set of second hand original MMP stage 3's I got for a smoking deal from someone parting out their car about 2 years ago now. No issues from mine what so ever yet. Did all new water / oil lines and RB oil drains when I installed them.

 

[Rob09msport]

Well sounds like as of 19 you should have no fear . The pudding was full of proof

 

[Milan]

For all the "advancements" and companies that have come into the twin turbo game for this platform, just remember that the RB turbos from 10 years ago went 10s and that's still about as fast as you are going to get out of this platform without turning your car into a drag car.

Go to e90 post, do a search for "rebuilt" and buy the brand that you DON'T see appearing all the time

 

[fmorelli]

As one of the few (if not only) routinely active members here and as someone active on FB that has them, I can say I'm very happy with my choice and wouldn't have gone another route if I was given another chance. Other's opinions are going to be second-hand and hearsay.

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I certainly never signed any NDA nor have I ever seen any actual evidence of one when someone required support. Im pretty sure that's just a bullshit Facebook rumor. As a matter of fact, Mauricio has been one of the most helpful owner's I've dealt with when I had questions on my install and ran into issues of my own design, not once did he ever ignore me or tell me to keep quiet and his response time was usually less than 24 hours.

https://bmw.spoolstreet.com/threads/mmp1000-highest-mileage-cars.5256/#post-75293

I'm going to take a slightly different view than the above commentary. The fact that you are about the only person running them that has something to offer is actually concerning for me, not reassuring. One guy with a good experience doesn't predicate a $4k purchase, at least for me. Yes I realize, since I am on the MMP FB group, that there are others running the units. I've not seen any dyno pulls with them, which is not to say they aren't out there. The horsepower claims; I'll leave it to what the word "claim" means.

As for NDA's ... no idea about that wrt MMP EXCEPT that typically when it is done by others, it is requested at the point of the warranty being exercised. I've had that happen with another vendor - who sent me a new replacement on the basis that I would not post my experience with a part that passed QC (who is kidding ... there was likely no QC). Again not MMP ... but if there were to be an NDA involved, it could be at point of warranty. So you certainly would have never signed one. That's fact. Second - to your point of evidence of the NDA - any NDA of this nature written by someone with more than elementary school knowledge of business knows that inclusive of the NDA's agreement is no public admittance of the NDA - that is, that the agreement and existence of agreement, in whole, can not be shared beyond the signing parties. So ... yes you would also likely see no actual evidence. I'm not disagreeing with anything you said - but what I am saying is that your observations are well ... one guy that's done well ... everything else carries about as much weight as anything I would say (and I'm a member of the MMP FB group, as a customer) ... which is to say, just perspective. Oh ... I can share first-hand experience with that - the group is moderated. I have never seen anything negative. In fact, one of my posts was blocked by Eugene because I asked a question in June 2018 about MMP 1ks when they came out - the size of the vband for the outlet. Eugene intercepted, asked why I needed to know and explained it was proprietary information.

Just for the record, not bashing MMP just reflecting on the other side of the commentary. I've been an MMP customer in the past and they took care of me.

Filippo

 

[nyt]

So where are all the people making 1000 horsepower with these? lol.

 

[NoQuarter]

So where are all the people making 1000 horsepower with these? lol.

Maybe another NDA?

 

[langsbr]

Im pretty sure that's just a bullshit Facebook rumor.

This post, along with the random replies of people that love mmp all of a sudden reeks of a concerted effort to boost mmps profile. I'm out of town right now, but since this is the fake news, I think I just might have to redact the one I do have and post it. Mauricio is a massive dick that does anything to avoid covering warranty, or at least did in the case I know of.

@fmorelli, the reason there's nothing bad in the mmp FB group is because Mauricio blocks anyone that speaks negatively of him.

Mauricio had plenty of opportunities to do the right thing, and even atone for the shitbag treatment he gave a friend. Did he? Nope. A warranty claim shouldn't take 10 months and then have a forced NDA and STILL no warranty and admission that there would be no warranty transfer. To make it even worse, the 'repaired' turbos were not fully repaired, but sent back with a chipped compressor wheel and cracked compressor cover.

I was blind to his ways originally, and is easy to be when you aren't the victim. I was one of mmps BIGGEST supporters. I had illuminated door sills with the mmp logo made for my car! Hell, I think mellow yellow had his turbos blow multiple times and I still defended mmp. After what he did, my eyes are open. Mauricio is a complete jerk.

 

[Torgus]

Anyone who wants to drop coin on twin turbos for an n54 why are the RB GFs not the #1 choice?

Mind you any quality tier 1 twin turbo plus inlets, downpipes, and outlets costs as much as a single turbo...

I just don't see the interest in the mmps. See the thread talking about lag. They spool like a single turbo and at the end of the day you are accelerating mass. The higher the hp output the more you shift the curve and everything else to the right.

 

[langsbr]

The 1ks for everything I've seen spool MUCH worse than a single turbo which is really surprising.

 

[Brule]

Anyone who wants to drop coin on twin turbos for an n54 why are the RB GFs not the #1 choice?

Mind you any quality tier 1 twin turbo plus inlets, downpipes, and outlets costs as much as a single turbo...

I just don't see the interest in the mmps. See the thread talking about lag. They spool like a single turbo and at the end of the day you are accelerating mass. The higher the hp output the more you shift the curve and everything else to the right.

They seem to be the only ones made in house and balanced properly the rest are just rebranded chinese turbos with different logos on the same balance sheet.

Maybe if he wrote 1000hp, stage 4 all the 19 year olds would promote them on instagram ect.

 

[rev210]

1Ks . From what understand no one has got them to power levels that are above a stage 2 as yet and then even stage 2s are enough to hurt a stock motor. So assuming 1Ks can actually be cranked up further, you will need a big budget for the rest of the supporting mods and the motor build. Ive got pure st2 and they are at motor hurting levels, ran a 10 in full weight car .

 

[Rob09msport]

1Ks . From what understand no one has got them to power levels that are above a stage 2 as yet and then even stage 2s are enough to hurt a stock motor. So assuming 1Ks can actually be cranked up further, you will need a big budget for the rest of the supporting mods and the motor build. Ive got pure st2 and they are at motor hurting levels, ran a 10 in full weight car .

That is one thing I dont get I bought turbos rated for 650 instead of the 800 variant cause as much as I want 700 I dont want to build my block unless I am forced to. So if that's the case then why add more lag ? I get you want headroom but that's where rb is great he gives realistic repeatable ratings. I dont run rb before people read and assume I do. If they were out I prob would have gone with gf just cause whole package and I had a outlet nightmare that cost me 3 extra months downtime.

 

[Twisted Tuning]

I can't personally comment on MMPs customer relations and warranty practices, as i've never actually purchased anything from them. Only thing i can comment on is the end results of the products he sells on my customer cars that i deal with first hand.

The turbos from what i have experienced. Seem to hold up decently to some extent of abuse. I have seen some fail, some in short order, and some with some miles on them. So im not sure if they have reliability issues or if its just the nature of the game spinning up turbos more than they should. Hard to tell the later, because i don't think any real testing goes into any of the turbos released on this platform. Reason is, companies like BW, can tell what shaft speed you should not surpass to keep the turbo happy. Thats one thing i have not once seen discussed by any turbo vendor on this platform. I can't even recall the turbo flow rates or compressor maps being posted. But thats neither here nor there. especially since im only one person and could have missed the post or something.

The turbos perform (MMP Stg3). Albeit, i do still to this day feel they have been wishfully overrated in their capabilities. The 1ks, are not really 1000hp setup imo. While i understand, most people that have them do not have built engines to sustain their max rated power without damage. The power that has been made on them at certain pressure ratios seems a bit low for 1k capable setups. I think i still hold the record for MMP twins. 745whp 750tq on the 1st gen Stg3 twins. This was actually more than the highest 1k documented dyno power. But thats moot.

I still feel from experience, Pure has the most reliable turbos. they aren't infallible but i personally havent seen them fail at anywhere close to rates of others. But they do give a really good bang for buck.