Indeed, PI and upgraded LPFP would be required to achieve the maximum result.
Kind regards,
Marshall T. Lee | Founder of ML Performance
M Turbo - N54 Ball Bearing Turbos with OEM fitment
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Indeed, PI and upgraded LPFP would be required to achieve the maximum result.
Kind regards,
Marshall T. Lee | Founder of ML Performance
Feel like I'm beating a dead horse here but were there any dyno graphs from your R&D vehicle? You keep saying you will have that info in April. I see you said your R&D car made 600bhp, care to provide the proof. So did you guys only R&D fitment at this point and not the functionality or potential? I'm kinda at a loss here in your timeline and sequence of events to bringing these to market.
Hi, sorry you feel this way. We do have data from our R&D car, however we won't be sharing these as these were done by the dealership that we work with, so we didn't tune the car nor setup the car to achieve this result.
Our R&D includes makgin them OEM fitment, testing them on several cars running different psi to ensure all is well, this is also done worldwide to ensure the turbos are capable fo all different environments. We will however be sharing the dynos and logs from our local customer's car, which is booked in in the first week of April for the first set of M Turbo Ball Bearing Stage 2 in the UK to be installed! With this car being local to us, we will be tuning and setting the car up, in the hope to maximise the turbos and discover the true potential. This local customer's car will be setup by us, as everything from intake, downpipe, all the way to the turbos were all supplied by us, this car will also be tuned by the tuners that we work closely with. Therefore we are more comfortable in sharing these data. Also we will be using the dyno machine of our choice, which is Dyno Dynamic in the UK, known as the heart breaker for producing realistic and low numbers.
I am awfully sorry if the timeline were confusing, in hindsight it would be better if we announced the development in May once we have all the data, however we were too excited to share the news! After all, it is the first set of ball bearing twin turbos with OEM fitment for the N54 platform! So this post is really the start of a long journey, we are not expecting to receive hundreds of sales, but it is available to purchase at an introductory price of $3500 and the offer of further discount if good dyno results and logs were sent to us. We are in it for the long run, so there's no rush for us, but we just wanted to share this fantastic news and our latest development!
We have more developments underway, which will also be the first on several platforms, so do stick around
I hope the above helps, if however you have any questions, please do not hesitate to ask and I will do my best to answer them for you.
Kind regards,
Marshall Lee | Founder of ML Performance
This is obviously great news and hopefully, other vendors start implementing this as part of a premium package for their turbos. As mentioned by others, dyno numbers (before and after) and a full list of mods would really help push these turbos. Thanks!
Just a quick update on the first set of M Turbo Stage 2 ball bearing turbos being installed here in the UK!
The Ball Bearing Stage 2 turbos has been installed over the weekend for the local customer, and we are now getting the base map ready(MHD flash only)! We will put it on the Dyno once the base map is on the car, to give us a starting figure, again, this will be done on Dyno Dynamic here in the UK which produce conservative and realistic numbers
Here's a list of modifications on the customer's N54 335i Coupe, which is all supplied by us, bar the PS4 and Brake Kit:
M Turbo Stage 2 (Ball Bearing)
VRSF 7.5" Race Intercooler
VRSF CP with Turbosmart Plumb Back Recirculating BOVs
VRSF 3" Decat Downpipe
VRSF OEM Location Inlet
Genuine BMW Upgraded Pressure Sensor with BMS 3.5 Bar Adapter
Genuine BMW Performance Brake Kit
PS4 in the rear passenger seat (Amazing right!)
The customer is away for holiday for around a week, so not much will happen in between, but do stay tuned for more updates!
Kind regards,
Marshall Lee | Founder of ML Performance UK
The Ball Bearing Stage 2 turbos has been installed over the weekend for the local customer, and we are now getting the base map ready(MHD flash only)! We will put it on the Dyno once the base map is on the car, to give us a starting figure, again, this will be done on Dyno Dynamic here in the UK which produce conservative and realistic numbers
Here's a list of modifications on the customer's N54 335i Coupe, which is all supplied by us, bar the PS4 and Brake Kit:
M Turbo Stage 2 (Ball Bearing)
VRSF 7.5" Race Intercooler
VRSF CP with Turbosmart Plumb Back Recirculating BOVs
VRSF 3" Decat Downpipe
VRSF OEM Location Inlet
Genuine BMW Upgraded Pressure Sensor with BMS 3.5 Bar Adapter
Genuine BMW Performance Brake Kit
PS4 in the rear passenger seat (Amazing right!)
The customer is away for holiday for around a week, so not much will happen in between, but do stay tuned for more updates!
Kind regards,
Marshall Lee | Founder of ML Performance UK
Is it true that these turbo's were engineered solely by NOZ Turbo and are manufactured by CHSH Turbo (Taiwan)? ML Performance you mentioned previously you do all the machining for the CHRA in-house. Something is not adding up here...
Dear,
I hope you can understand, but we do not wish to entertain claims made by others for unknown agenda. As I am sure you have seen over the years in the turbo industry where this leads to, therefore, we do not wish to participate in such activity.
What I can say is, I have not heard or dealt with both NOZ Turbo or CHSH Turbo before. What we can also confirm is, all M turbos are done in-house and comes with one year warranty
We are a UK registered company and also VAT registered, so you can buy with confidence. We are in it for the long run so we are not going anywhere anytime soon! We also have successful track record both in the UK and Europe with many satisfied customers on both our product and the customer service we offer.
Here's a link of our company's registration at Companies House which is also publicly avaible:
https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/09676118
I hope this clarify the situation. If however you are still in doubt, please do not hesitate to ask and I will do my best to help.
Kind regards,
Marshall T. Lee
Founder of ML Performance UK
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From where I'm sitting, the only agenda I can see is that it appears you are trying to pass off someone else's hard work as your own.
Are you sure the story you want to run with is that another competing company just happened to design the exact same machined CHRA ball bearing turbo's at the same time as you? If that's the case, it should be pretty simple to provide some sort of evidence showing that these are indeed your own design so you can put these malicious rumours to bed, no?
If the specs are actually different, how are they different?
Are you sure the story you want to run with is that another competing company just happened to design the exact same machined CHRA ball bearing turbo's at the same time as you? If that's the case, it should be pretty simple to provide some sort of evidence showing that these are indeed your own design so you can put these malicious rumours to bed, no?
If the specs are actually different, how are they different?
Both use German ball bearings, offer a 1 year warranty & both "new products" were announced within 12 hours of each other on different forums, but only 1 provided solid models & was transparent about their origin.
Amazingly similar for being continents away...
Amazingly similar for being continents away...
Dear,
Many thanks for your input.
Please allow me to clarify, as I think my original post has been misinterpreted by yourself and perhaps many others, please accept my apology, as it was my writing that led to this.
So, all the M Turbos are done in-house, by that I mean, everything is done under one roof, so not a single process is outsourced. Furthermore, we do not claim to own this in house facility. Apology for the confusion and I hope this is cleared up.
The turbos you have mentioned does indeed look identical to our M Turbo, so it could possibly be from the same in-house facility. In terms of the specification, our turbo utilises a slightly smaller turbine wheel and it is indeed not TD04, that is the only difference I have noticed thus far.
I hope the above will help you understand, if however you still have any questions or I can assist in any other way, please do not hesitate to ask I will do my best to help
Again, appreciate the feedback and sorry for the confusion!
Kind regards,
Marshall T. Lee
Founder of ML Performance UK
Both use German ball bearings, offer a 1 year warranty & both "new products" were announced within 12 hours of each other on different forums, but only 1 provided solid models & was transparent about their origin.
Amazingly similar for being continents away...
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Dear,
Many thanks for your feedback.
Just to clarify, we announced the M Turbo 3 weeks ago on the 20th March, as you can see on the original post
I'm afraid I cannot share the origin, as contact is one of our most important asset in business, and I hope you can understand this.
If however you have any questions about the M Turbos, please do feel free to ask and I will do my best to assist you.
Again, appreciate the feedback and I do apology if anything is unclear.
Kind regards,
Marshall T. Lee
Founder of ML Performance UK
@ML Performance UK Did you customer ever finish their project and put down some numbers? A ball bearing upgrade would be pretty fantastic. It's definitely more about the drive-ability.
Dear,
The car is almost finished now, it is on its 7th revision via MHD running 25psi, and being tuned by Justin @Twisted Tuning for the past few months. Only a few more revisions to go to fine tune under 3k to make it smoother, above 3k it is lively! The car was actually booked in to have a dyno on the 5th of this month, however the HPFP has failed and it has just been fixed along with some injectors replaced.
Sadly the customer is off to Spain for 4 weeks of holiday, we may be able to take the car to the dyno whilst he is away, but we are still waiting for the customer to give us the go ahead to do this. Will report back if we mange to do this, if we don't get the go ahead, it will be dyno by the customer once he has returned from his holiday after mid-August.
We have sold a few more in the UK so will report back if we get any dynos from other customers
We do have some MHD logs if anyone is interested Kind regards,
Marshall T. Lee | Founder of ML Performance UK
Dear All,
Sorry for the lack of update, we've been so busy with the business and have not kept up to date with the thread.
So after a year and half, the ball bearing turbo is still going strong on our local customer's car. We are on the 24th revision which is tuned by @Twisted Tuning, the customer isn't after big power so we have capped it at a nice 21psi.
So the customer went on the dyno few months back, here's the result at 21psi when he went to our local dyno with Dyno Dynamic:
507bhp & 630 ft.lb torque
His spec:
93 Octane (Shell V Power)
@Twisted Tuning Custom Tune (21psi)
M Turbo Stage 2.0 (Ball Bearing)
VRSF 7.5" Race Intercooler
VRSF CP with Turbosmart Plumb Back Recirculating BOVs
VRSF 3" Decat Downpipe
VRSF OEM Location Inlet
Genuine BMW Upgraded Pressure Sensor with BMS 3.5 Bar Adapter
Genuine BMW Performance Brake Kit
LUX angel Eyes
Stock OEM Airbox
550i Clutch with TTV SMFW
We also have a few other sets floating around Europe which we haven't heard much about, so will report back once we have received dyno from those customers.
I hope you find the above helpful, please do not hesitate to ask if you have any further questions.
Kind regards,
Marshall Lee | ML Performance UK
Sorry for the lack of update, we've been so busy with the business and have not kept up to date with the thread.
So after a year and half, the ball bearing turbo is still going strong on our local customer's car. We are on the 24th revision which is tuned by @Twisted Tuning, the customer isn't after big power so we have capped it at a nice 21psi.
So the customer went on the dyno few months back, here's the result at 21psi when he went to our local dyno with Dyno Dynamic:
507bhp & 630 ft.lb torque
His spec:
93 Octane (Shell V Power)
@Twisted Tuning Custom Tune (21psi)
M Turbo Stage 2.0 (Ball Bearing)
VRSF 7.5" Race Intercooler
VRSF CP with Turbosmart Plumb Back Recirculating BOVs
VRSF 3" Decat Downpipe
VRSF OEM Location Inlet
Genuine BMW Upgraded Pressure Sensor with BMS 3.5 Bar Adapter
Genuine BMW Performance Brake Kit
LUX angel Eyes
Stock OEM Airbox
550i Clutch with TTV SMFW
We also have a few other sets floating around Europe which we haven't heard much about, so will report back once we have received dyno from those customers.
I hope you find the above helpful, please do not hesitate to ask if you have any further questions.
Kind regards,
Marshall Lee | ML Performance UK
