MMP outlet

[fmorelli]

Would like to give credit where it is due. On the now dead thread, My poor outlet install caught up with me, a few of us discussed MMP outlet failures. I would have posted there but alas ...

I took photos of my Z4 MMP outlet failure, sent them to @Eugene@MMP as he requested. About ten days later I had a new outlet on my doorstep for the cost of shipping. Appreciate the customer support and when vendors stand behind their products.

In the interim, I decided to buy the PSP aluminum outlet, ordered turbosmart clamps and HPS aramid coupler. Unfortunately half way into the install (and the bitch of the install - the front pipe assembly), discovered that they sent me the E90 pipe not the 1er/Z4 pipe (different rear pipe). PSP has no idea when they'll have the aluminum pipes back in stock ... so now pulling that back off the front pipe so I can send it all back and get a refund.

Filippo

 

[Rob09msport]

N54 strikes again the z strain

 

[fmorelli]

We call it #z4tax

Filippo

 

[Optigrab]

Why do they have no idea? Is that code for we have not ordered any more

 

[Crystalline]

Why do they have no idea? Is that code for we have not ordered any more

I think so, I asked them about a month and a half ago and they said no ETA. Now that VRSF has "developed one" that sells for significantly less there may not be much incentive for them to restock it...

 

[Optigrab]

Hmm interesting I would be more likely to buy theirs because i heard the fitment was better than vsrf

 

[fmorelli]

PSP unit was definitely a first class product, fabrication-wise.

Filippo

 

[Torgus]

The PSP still seems to be the best solution and is small money when you factor everything in. That being said VRSF makes good quality products at a fair price, hence why they do so well in the aftermarket community.

 

[Panzerfaust]

@fmorelli, I completely agree with you on mmp's customer service. I had an excellent, excellent, excellent experience with both @Eugene@MMP and @MMP (Mauricio) when getting my turbos and any questions I had. Their reputation may have started off rough back in the day (mostly spurred on by other vendors imo, if you go back and look at the threads on e90) but I would probably say they're the gold standard in N54 customer service to me now, especially in regards to response time.

I actually bought the PSP outlets also (but the 2" ones, since I went 1K's) as they were advertised as working for "upgraded size turbos" and turns out... PSP "doesn't officially support the 1Ks" which was a surprise to me cause I thought I had discussed my route with them prior to ordering but oh well. My shop ended up getting them to fit perfectly (if very, very snug) in the end so I have no complaints about the product themselves and completely agree about the quality of the hardware. It was very clean, lightweight and consistent which is about all you can ask for with outlets I suppose.

 

[matreyia]

Would like to give credit where it is due. On the now dead thread, My poor outlet install caught up with me, a few of us discussed MMP outlet failures. I would have posted there but alas ...

I took photos of my Z4 MMP outlet failure, sent them to @Eugene@MMP as he requested. About ten days later I had a new outlet on my doorstep for the cost of shipping. Appreciate the customer support and when vendors stand behind their products.

In the interim, I decided to buy the PSP aluminum outlet, ordered turbosmart clamps and HPS aramid coupler. Unfortunately half way into the install (and the bitch of the install - the front pipe assembly), discovered that they sent me the E90 pipe not the 1er/Z4 pipe (different rear pipe). PSP has no idea when they'll have the aluminum pipes back in stock ... so now pulling that back off the front pipe so I can send it all back and get a refund.

Filippo

Holy shit dude...

 

[fmorelli]

@fmorelli, I completely agree with you on mmp's customer service. I had an excellent, excellent, excellent experience with both @Eugene@MMP and @MMP (Mauricio) when getting my turbos and any questions I had. Their reputation may have started off rough back in the day (mostly spurred on by other vendors imo, if you go back and look at the threads on e90) but I would probably say they're the gold standard in N54 customer service to me now, especially in regards to response time.

All I can do is relate my experiences. I was one of the first people running the Z4 outlet. Mauricio gave me his phone number and asked that I called if I had any install questions. He always promptly responded to emails. That's been my experience.

I don't know if the outlet had a material issue, but unfortunately the 4" split showed no sign of damage or heat issue - simply looked like it couldn't hold the pressure, but that's my speculation. Who knows.

@Panzerfaust do you know if MMP is balancing turbos in-house yet or have any plans to do so?

Filippo

 

[Crystalline]

The PSP still seems to be the best solution and is small money when you factor everything in. That being said VRSF makes good quality products at a fair price, hence why they do so well in the aftermarket community.

I took some pictures of the welds on my VRSF outlet for everyone to see. The weld down in the pipe on the bent section was pretty bad (large jagged edges) but ~5min with a file made it significantly better (the picture is post filing). The welds in the merge look good enough to me but other people here will know better than I do.

Like I said I tried to order the PSP outlet first but they never restocked them...

 

[ShocknAwe]

I took some pictures of the welds on my VRSF outlet for everyone to see. The weld down in the pipe on the bent section was pretty bad (large jagged edges) but ~5min with a file made it significantly better (the picture is post filing). The welds in the merge look good enough to me but other people here will know better than I do.

Like I said I tried to order the PSP outlet first but they never restocked them...

Hi, uh, turbulence? I'd like to order a large can of cheap ass welds and a pizza. Deliver it to 69 I Like to Spend Time Fixing Your Broke Shit Product Rd, WTF, USA

 

[fmorelli]

I just tried to get my PSP pipes replaced (sent 335i by mistake) ... told me no ETA on the 1er/Z4 pipes. Out of stock.

Filippo

 

[Panzerfaust]

All I can do is relate my experiences. I was one of the first people running the Z4 outlet. Mauricio gave me his phone number and asked that I called if I had any install questions. He always promptly responded to emails. That's been my experience.

I don't know if the outlet had a material issue, but unfortunately the 4" split showed no sign of damage or heat issue - simply looked like it couldn't hold the pressure, but that's my speculation. Who knows.

@Panzerfaust do you know if MMP is balancing turbos in-house yet or have any plans to do so?

Filippo

I didn't have his phone number, we did most of our communication through FB messages but at times he would send a voice message where I could hear he was very obviously actively working on something but still wanted to take the time to answer me so he recorded an answer instead of typing. I think most in that situation would either ignore my message until they could type, or just say they're busy, so he earned lots of points in my book from that.

As far as the balancing in-house thing goes, yes I believe so - or maybe they've at least partnered with someone "local" who's more than capable of doing it - because one of his messages to me was that they were currently balancing turbos and then were going to begin assembly.

They've also started to offer inspection and refurbishing of turbos, which I can't imagine would be possible if they were relying on "China balancing". Not to mention the two year warranty - I believe they're the only ones offering that, and if the claims of some other vendors were true, they certainly *couldn't* warranty turbos for that long could they?

I took some pictures of the welds on my VRSF outlet for everyone to see. The weld down in the pipe on the bent section was pretty bad (large jagged edges) but ~5min with a file made it significantly better (the picture is post filing). The welds in the merge look good enough to me but other people here will know better than I do.

Like I said I tried to order the PSP outlet first but they never restocked them...

Hi, uh, turbulence? I'd like to order a large can of cheap ass welds and a pizza. Deliver it to 69 I Like to Spend Time Fixing Your Broke Shit Product Rd, WTF, USA

Yikes, yeah, the PSP outlets were absolutely beautiful compared to that. I have some VRSF stuff myself, and I understand why some would order those outlets over the PSP but holy cow. While I was a little upset about being mislead with the PSP outlets fitting 1K's "out of the box", they at least were perfectly cylindrical and smooth inside.

 

[Crystalline]

Yikes, yeah, the PSP outlets were absolutely beautiful compared to that. I have some VRSF stuff myself, and I understand why some would order those outlets over the PSP but holy cow. While I was a little upset about being mislead with the PSP outlets fitting 1K's "out of the box", they at least were perfectly cylindrical and smooth inside.

It was slightly disappointing, I could return it still of course (it has not been installed yet) but there is no alternative product to replace it with. While the main merge isn't as pretty as PSP I don't see anything that would create turbulence. The weld in the bend of the pipe on the other hand...that is the one that concerns me.

 

[Rob@RBTurbo]

@Panzerfaust do you know if MMP is balancing turbos in-house yet or have any plans to do so?

Filippo

Pretty easy to get an answer on these things thanks to balancing reports. The big glory of these reports is that they illustrate how not all balancing is created equal. We can "balance" a turbo in 30 seconds, or 30 minutes, or more; it just depends on how well you want it balanced. The report will tell it all, and anyone who has the machinery should be sending a report for each unit that they ever produce such that the end user need not guess about such things.

Rob

 

[Rob@RBTurbo]

PSP unit was definitely a first class product, fabrication-wise.

Filippo

Definitely was the nicest unit to date but now he probably will little interest doing much more with these things as things like this are so quickly shipped off overseas to be copied and resold for pennies on the dollar.

 

[Crystalline]

It was slightly disappointing, I could return it still of course (it has not been installed yet) but there is no alternative product to replace it with. While the main merge isn't as pretty as PSP I don't see anything that would create turbulence. The weld in the bend of the pipe on the other hand...that is the one that concerns me.

Didn't end up getting anywhere with VRSF on the weld in the bend of the pipe so I decided to return it. Just as I did that, I saw PSP opened up pre sales for their outlet (early Nov delivery). Problem solved.