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RuskiRacer

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Haven't established the ceiling yet, at 670 whp we were still holding 3k psi at redline, but that was stock motor and didn't want to push further. Have a guy in Florida with a big single who wants to crack 7 DI only and just got mailed all the parts/supporting mods to do so. Ethanol mixtures will be the same ratio as stock HPFP ceilings on E85/E50/E30 mixes, but really too much goes into a tune to accurately project until someone just plain does it. Put another way, how much power do you want to make on DI only?

I will say this, LPFP seems to go significantly further when you are DI only. Usually we rate a single shot 274 (standard F90000274, often referred to as a 450 in the community) at mid 500's to just under 600 whp worth of flow, but we easily crested 600 with plenty of LPFP in the tank. Went double on the car after mid 6's no prob. A great combo is a 295 (~30% increase over 274) single shot with the POD. Lots of flow, easy, simple, DME control over everything. Doubleshot 274/274, 295/274, or 295/285 after that.
On my old setup with the helix I pushed it to 33 psi on a gen 2 6266 and thats as far as I would go because rail pressure was like 1700-1800 psi. I have a couple guys that wanna be in the 650-700 hp range and I figured this would be something right in that area.
 

martymil

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274 was old so I went with a 295 no more issues, I converted the power to USA figures, every engine Is different what works for 1 does not mean it will work for the next
 

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.... which is why 600whp is a good ball park number (with headroom). Seems well within fuel delivery capability, given a decent tune and one's car being otherwise up to snuff. I don't find max numbers particularly interesting beyond marketing and keyboard warriors. They mean little to nothing for anyone that understands how numbers can actually be generated.
 

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Yep, I think a single shot 295 and POD are a great combo. Anyone want to max that out and see where we're at?
 

RuskiRacer

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I got a couple guys that just need the pod lpfp is good to go on upgraded twins
 
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PupkinRacing

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So a little update and small problem. Finally got around to installing my POD or almost installing. Come to find out the included fuel line that attaches to the hpfp and has the lpfp sensor adapter isn’t long enough for my current set up. I’m currently running the PR upgraded fuel lines with an e85 ethanol content sensor. Pictures attached.
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PupkinRacing

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Thats the problem with non standard stuff, I brought the tools and make all the lines myself.
Yea this wasn’t a bash by any means just a little heads up for future buyers. I’m sure in the future you can either let PFS know ahead of time or they could even add a drop down box to let you select if your fuel line is stock or upgraded. Then send a line that is about 6-8 inches longer. Simple fix.

Also would like to address that I did contact PFS and they went way beyond what I expected to fix this solution. They are supply a new longer line for me. So I have absolutely zero complaints. Customer service here is way above most companies.
 
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fmorelli

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Yea this wasn’t a bash by any means just a little heads up for future buyers. I’m sure in the future you can either let PFS know ahead of time or they could even add a drop down box to let you select if your fuel line is stock or upgraded. Then send a line that is about 6-8 inches longer. Simple fix.

Also would like to address that I did contact PFS and they went way beyond what I expected to fix this solution. They are supply a new longer line for me. So I have absolutely zero complaints. Customer service here is way above most companies.
It's good for the buyer to know what's non-stock about their car. A stock mating solution is unlikely to work. If you need something to work with your specific configuration, determining what's needed and communicating that is important.

My heads up would be - know your car, what you have, and what you may need. Ask questions if unsure - definite benefit of community, and vendors like PFS that will go out of their way to help.
 

marseille

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Yep, I think a single shot 295 and POD are a great combo. Anyone want to max that out and see where we're at?

I can help you with that....but I read somewhere this has issues fitting a 5 series?

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seb.apprenti

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Je ne sais pas. Depends on how much power you want to make, I'd guess.
there will be the intercooler 7.5
viv 19T or frankeinturbo (but the transport costs are enormous)
I have a WMI aem kit with 2 nozzles
I know I'm going to run out of fuel, that's why I'm interested in POD
... then 450 or 530?
the map will be made by Ken from wedge
 

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Does a POD help reduce the amp draw on the EKP?
You want to look at the thread we have on giving the EKP a bit more operating headroom. One can upgrade the heat transfer pad, and consider a heat sink on the back of the aluminum plate.
 
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marseille

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You want to look at the thread we have on giving the EKP a bit more operating headroom. One can upgrade the heat transfer pad, and consider a heat sink on the back of the aluminum plate.

I've read it. :). And installed a BP4 instead.

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martymil

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More headroom, easily wired for more pumps. Set and forget basically.

Even though you can cool the ekp3 you will never get stranded with a bmp4 no matter what you run of it.
 

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Interesting. Why?

For a single non stock low pressure fuel pump the modified ekp with blower, heatsink, and thermal pad makes the most sense imo. For dual or more the bpm4 is the 'better' solution vs a hobbs. Granted you pay for it. The 'advantages' are spelled out in the eos bpm4 introductory thread etc. I use quotes as both will get the job done, one better than the other. I just picked one up and will be installing soon along with the rest of my fueling components.
 
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