Hydra performance hpfp overdrive

ShocknAwe

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I've never experienced "slow and expensive freight" from Hydra. Thousands of dollars of parts from them and numerous shipments large and small. Always well packed and the boxes arrive in just days from overseas.

It's not even expensive. DHL is clutch.

Hydra seems perfectly capable of handling their business independently and that's their right.

Total lies. @fmorelli
 

jzx_andy

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I think it was scummy of bimmerhausperformance to come in to a couple of Hydra overdrive kit threads and start peddling their own product, especially when considering Hydra's reputation and overall ingenuity and dedication to solving problems that us N54 enthusiasts have.

I understand the Hydra kit basically substitutes the vacuum pump sprocket with an oil pump sprocket and compensates for the resulting change in chain slack (i.e. when swapping sprockets) by adopting a different chain length. Given that the kit repurposes an existing part from the factory chain configuration to achieve additional capacity in the N54 HPFP system, I'd say it's a fairly minor variation to a factory design, and a very smart one.

Now, I can see that Gjohnson7771 had access to bimmerhausperformance's kit a couple of months ago. I infer that he received that kit for free or at a discount. It certainly would explain the timing of bimmerhauseperformance's exit from here and the creation of Gjohnson's account.


I gather from this video that the bimmerhausperformance kit is a minor variation of the Hydra kit, as it's specifically intended to be installed without removing the crank hub. That is not something that Hydra have offered, but I understand they have mentioned on here that that is how they install their kits and that it is difficult to do so.

On balance I would say there's been an incremental improvement to the Hydra kit that I think would make DIY installation much easier - it seeks to solve an issue that people have with the Hydra kit.

It's up to Hydra on how they want to deal with a "competitor" like this. Knowing them, I believe they can offer a better and more comprehensive product/kit and I hope that's how they respond to this.
 
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fmorelli

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I appreciate Hydra ingenuity but Hydra wasn’t the first person to put a smaller sprocket on something to make it turn faster. BHP commented on the thread because people complained about having to remove the hub. He didn’t need to collaborate with Hydra but respectfully offered to help promote the hydra product, which hydra didn’t want to do, and that is fine. BHP also offered to be a wholesaler for the Hydra product, to help push the kit in the US and avoid the slow and expensive freight. Hydra didn’t want to play ball, which is totally their right, so he took his own solution to the market.

I don’t think that deserves a ban.

So ... let me get this straight. You just joined here. Your only posts are to this thread. And you are going to come and share with me your deep understanding of what is fair and not fair in terms of how this forum, which you just joined, should be run. Who are you? I would have deleted your account, but you actually dropped a youtube channel which I'll assume is you - and you deserve a response. Here it is:

Some dude who is not a member here, signs up. His only posts are to bomb another member and vendor's thread (who has been here for years and sponsored the forum) with his one "hey I can sell you these too." Are you tone deaf and clueless - you think it is my job to now take someone like this and bear out the time and energy to give him a chance to explain why his inappropriate behaviors out of the gate, not even as a member here, should require counseling? Because you, another person who is not a member here, thinks that I should handle the situation differently?

And you want to lecture me on how this forum should run? The amount of arrogance and privilege you seem to carry with yourself is mind numbing. Run a forum, deal with this garbage day/month/year out, and then come back to me clueful. Because you are not clueful. Show up with respect and respect will be given. You gave nothing. Expect nothing.

This is the last post on this subject. Back to the overdrive, please. Thanks all!
 

Maroon_e90

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I’m planning to order one of the Hydra kits soon. Can you explain what you mean by 'opening the chain'? Can you just remove a pin to do that, like are the chains intended to do that?
 

seb.apprenti

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Hi Omar. This is Sébastien from Reunion Island...I have the HP800 Gen2 😉. I have a question...maybe a "stupid" one...is there any point in installing the overdrive if you only have access to SP95 or SP98?
 

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@seb.apprenti ,
Since you can do the labor yourself and the kit itself is cheap it's nice to have 3200+ psi rail pressure for better fuel atomization, better combustion, and a shorter injection window (less misfires). There's a good reason why the newer BMW DI motors already come with 200 & 350bar injection pressure :)
Great, thanks for your feedback my friend 💪
 

odesh

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So if I want to install the kit without removing the crank bolt, the kit will come with chain with open ends and lock pin type of link lock? If so, do you think that the one lock type of link will be less durable compared to the chain itself? You have probably tested it, but I would be little nervous about the lock pin getting loose and falling out of the chain resulting a horrible failure.

Maybe I'm just over thinking it, lmao
 

Maroon_e90

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I ordered and recieved the kit, there is no open ends or locking pin link. I dont see how it would be possible to install without opening the chain and this chain does not look like it is supposed to be opened. There may be a way but I think I might just go with the removal of the crank bolt to install.
 

wheela

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I ordered and recieved the kit, there is no open ends or locking pin link. I dont see how it would be possible to install without opening the chain and this chain does not look like it is supposed to be opened. There may be a way but I think I might just go with the removal of the crank bolt to install.
In post #23, Omar says he's installed many without removing the crank hub. Maybe he couod provide some tips how he did it?

If you end up pulling the CH, make sure you buy brand new friction discs and don't re-use the old ones.
 
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odesh

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I ordered and recieved the kit, there is no open ends or locking pin link. I dont see how it would be possible to install without opening the chain and this chain does not look like it is supposed to be opened. There may be a way but I think I might just go with the removal of the crank bolt to install.
Oh I see. Maybe you need to ask for one? Since @Hydra Performance said: "For the record gentlemen, I installed the kit on my car, and several other cars here, without removing the crank hub, so the inclusion of that extra link (which I am more than happy to do for no extra cost) is just a gimmick really." so I was expecting it to come with the kit since they say that the kit can be installed without taking out the crank hub.
 

Maroon_e90

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Oh I see. Maybe you need to ask for one? Since @Hydra Performance said: "For the record gentlemen, I installed the kit on my car, and several other cars here, without removing the crank hub, so the inclusion of that extra link (which I am more than happy to do for no extra cost) is just a gimmick really." so I was expecting it to come with the kit since they say that the kit can be installed without taking out the crank hub.
Yeah that doesnt really matter. An extra link doesnt change the fact that the chain is non servicable and not meant to be open. To actually open the chain you would need a chain breaker and then you would need to rivet it back together.

I havent decided yet If I will buy the tool to do it or if I will just remove the crank bolt.
 

wheela

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Yeah that doesnt really matter. An extra link doesnt change the fact that the chain is non servicable and not meant to be open. To actually open the chain you would need a chain breaker and then you would need to rivet it back together.

I havent decided yet If I will buy the tool to do it or if I will just remove the crank bolt.
Maybe I misunderstood Hydra's post #23, but it gave me the impression his kit can be installed without removing the crankhub and without breaking open the chain. Is that not the case?
 

Maroon_e90

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Maybe I misunderstood Hydra's post #23, but it gave me the impression his kit can be installed without removing the crankhub and without breaking open the chain. Is that not the case?
I agree, I thought the same thing. However upon inspection its a typical oem style oil pump chain. Each pin is riveted and mushroomed over so they wont come out easily.

This is what I was expecting:

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This is what the chain is like:

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seb.apprenti

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I'm trying to understand how our friend Omar installs the chain without removing the crankshaft bolt. I can only think of one solution: remove the crankshaft seal and pass the chain through it... then install a new seal. I don't know if what I'm saying is consistent.
 

Maroon_e90

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Post #5 Hydra states "We do it @ the shop without removing the crank hub by removing the vacuum pump sprocket seal, opening the oil pump chain, tying both chains together, replacing the chain and closing it back again, but this is quite difficult to do and requires a fair bit of dexterity & special tools"

He states the chain has to be opened with special tools. I've removed the crank bolt many times the sucky part is the new bolt and the locking of the flywheel. and that it feels like youre going to break the bolt when youre putting 300 ft lbs on the bolt and stretching it 360 degrees. Regardless I think I would rather do that again
 

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I mean it is really great that Omar found this way. This alone doesn´t create a finished product with a justification for his "product".
The sprocket and chain are like 20-30 USD each.
If i am creating a product with added value to the product, i would think/expect a solution for the DIY guy.
If there is special tooling involved and you still only get those 60usd parts. Where is the added value to justify the endprice? Just because some research was done? 3-4 times the value just because of the research but how you install is your problem? Getting this done in a shop will cost more than the "product" sold. And in the end it was only research. Not creating/manufacturing anything new.

(this is no hate but just my critical view as an engineer working in the automotive industry) Different views are welcome.

And yes i know. I don´t need to buy it if i don´t like it...