650whp Suggest
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DAW N54 Flow Max + 19T
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They are advertised as 19T. I think VTT tried 20Ts but went back to 19Ts.
Dynamic Autowerx: Cancellations are subject to 25% restocking fee and a 5% nonrefundable merchant fee if cancelled before the 8 week mark. AKA 30% fee when they don't even ship anything to you. FYI a restocking fee is when the customer ships a product BACK to you the fee covers the paperwork, inspection, making the product back to new, repackaging, etc. It is designed to cover the costs of getting a product back to known brand new condition so it can be sold as such. You don't charge a restocking fee before it even ships! There is nothing to restock. I assume after 8 weeks you are not allowed to cancel. All of this time is because he buys the turbos from China and it takes time for them to show up at his condo's door step.
Again Shaun is a fucking idiot.
Go try and visit his 'shop' like I tried. Oh wait there is no shop you can visit. His business address is his shitty condo. His shop is just a local mechanic, not even a speed shop. He claims he has them balanced in the states but yet the balance sheets are from china and are fake. I don't know how much more sketch a vendor can be.
Seriously go get the VTTs that make 850whp(it is a joke, they don't make close):
They have colored wheels and shiny bullet nuts(which never fall off and destroy the turbos) for the instgram fuk boys who like to show off their colored turbos to the world before they install them.
If you are willing to sign up for a pallet of turbos you can start your own company just like DAW. You can steal your warranty language from Shaun(he will not care he stole it 1st). You can have your company's name cast onto the manifold, colored wheels, your logo on the nameplate, you name it. Just put up the cash up front and wait 2-3 months for delivery.
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I have RBs GF 17t turbos and I am making 620whp on a dynojet at around 25psi at high rpms and my wgdc is about 75%. It's not maxed out but I definitely don't have too much headroom for more power but I knew that as my power goal was about 600whp going with the twins. Robs power ratings are on point.
Already went upgraded single on the F22, I want to keep this one twin, at least for the time being.
"I just got my 19t VIV turbo's to replace my DAW's and they are identical down to the balancing sheet that comes with them." Posted less than a year ago. Good to know DAW still uses fake balance sheets. Wouldn't expect Shaun to change the way he conducts his business. He will lie right to your face and tell you he has them balanced in the states.
My reason for not suggesting you use DAW is mainly they are sketchy as all hell and there are tons of failures which you can read about online.
Buy the VIVs, throw on the 4 year warranty. Is the least expensive option.
Buy RB 19Ts and pay another $1200 bucks.
Fast
Cheap
Reliable
You only get to pick 2.
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Could the DAW 19T be the Stage2 (775RS)? which are actually smaller than the FM+.
"I just got my 19t VIV turbo's to replace my DAW's and they are identical down to the balancing sheet that comes with them."
The 775RS are probably 17T is my guess.
IIRC, and this was years ago, VTT tried 20Ts but they results were not good. I think those MMPs gen 1 had 20T wheels where he had to weld on material. At some point you can't just keep machining out the turbo snout and throwing in larger and larger wheels. At some point the housing is just too small. Remember these are TD03 housings and people are shoving in TD04 19T wheels into them. Basically 2x the wheel size in a housing designed for a 10T. Massive backpressure will occur when trying to hit high HP. Backpressure kills.
Hey if you are sure you want DAW turbos go and get them and don't listen to me. I would 100% not be trying to chase high HP with twins and I would take all, except RB, WHP numbers that they advertise with as a grain of salt. VTT and DAW both promise well above 800whp but strangely no one in 5 years has ever made even close to that number. Most are 150WHP short. Strange.
Given that guy claims the VIVs are identical to his old DAWs that failed I don't see why anyone would pay the DAW premium and have to deal with Shaun and his non existent warranty for an identical product. Again, at least with the VIV's you can buy a warranty plan for 4 years on amazon.
IIRC, and this was years ago, VTT tried 20Ts but they results were not good. I think those MMPs gen 1 had 20T wheels where he had to weld on material. At some point you can't just keep machining out the turbo snout and throwing in larger and larger wheels. At some point the housing is just too small. Remember these are TD03 housings and people are shoving in TD04 19T wheels into them. Basically 2x the wheel size in a housing designed for a 10T. Massive backpressure will occur when trying to hit high HP. Backpressure kills.
Hey if you are sure you want DAW turbos go and get them and don't listen to me. I would 100% not be trying to chase high HP with twins and I would take all, except RB, WHP numbers that they advertise with as a grain of salt. VTT and DAW both promise well above 800whp but strangely no one in 5 years has ever made even close to that number. Most are 150WHP short. Strange.
Given that guy claims the VIVs are identical to his old DAWs that failed I don't see why anyone would pay the DAW premium and have to deal with Shaun and his non existent warranty for an identical product. Again, at least with the VIV's you can buy a warranty plan for 4 years on amazon.
Iām assuming the Fastest full weight Flow max car was the Zero to sixty car. And from what I remember it was in the high 5ās 1-200. And it was around 30 psi with tons of timing. All that just to make around 650 ish wheel.
Iāve been through 2 sets of hybrid twins. First the Daw 775Rsās then the CTS 700hpās. The daws blew up in extravagant fashion. And my Cts were ready to let go too. Torgi is right tho a high power twins set up just isnāt worth the risk in the long run. I cracked 2 ringlands while running 24psi through the Ctsās.
Iāve been through 2 sets of hybrid twins. First the Daw 775Rsās then the CTS 700hpās. The daws blew up in extravagant fashion. And my Cts were ready to let go too. Torgi is right tho a high power twins set up just isnāt worth the risk in the long run. I cracked 2 ringlands while running 24psi through the Ctsās.
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If you want turbos thatāll last though go RB or Hydra. I think thereās a few users here running both.
Thanks everyone for your advice and input, I'll post back with an update after I've made my decision.
19T and 93oct and wmi 1000cc methļ¼can go to 600whp or lessļ¼thanksDAW highest rated on the market? No way man, those would be the unubtanium VTT twin turbos that make 850whp. You know about what a maxed out precision 6466 can make.
Ok, so what matters is the size of the wheels. Larger wheels push more air 10T is stock 19T is almost twice as large. Does twice as large mean x2 the HP? No. Maxed out 10Ts can make 500whp. Maxed out 19Ts do not make 1000whp. Anywho more mass aka larger wheels spool slower. Physics and all that jazz, can't escape it. RB offers 19Ts just like DAW. RB rates his twins at reasonable HP levels. He also does not recommend spinning the fuck out of them to hit high HP numbers as that kills their life/reliability.
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37 lb/min x2 = 74 lb/min.
6466 = 90 lb/min
14.4 x 2 = 28.8psi
370 at crank x2 = 740hp. Account for 16% drivetrain loss = 621whp. Which is where most twins maxed out actually end up at. 600-650whp.
If you are chasing high HP numbers go get the VTT turbosYou can be the 1st person to make 850whp other than VTT.
Now with your 19Ts and making 600-650whp you will have ZERO headroom. 100% WGDC. Maxed out = Short life. In general you never run something at 100% and expect it to last long. Generally you leave headroom. Spinning your turbos so they are glowing white hot like this:
They are blowing HOT AF air. Which is why you have to use a super high octane to hit those numbers aka E85 w/ it's natural cooling. Without E85 and just pump 93 you will be around 500whp at 7200rpms, regardless of which 19T turbo you go with.
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I did this for 5k miles and I am currently rebuilding my engine. Turbo is alright though
Their largest twin turbo offering is the HP800 and has been shown to produce well over your 650whp target when combined with their N53 head package and some meth. One guy hit 807whp @ 29psi with that combo :
https://www.instagram.com/p/B5aqs-7gRRa/
Look at post #389 where Omar put down 625whp on pump gas with his HP800s at less than 20psi (I recommend reading thru the entire thread for the rest of his setup and because it's packed with great info) :
https://www.spoolstreet.com/threads...eichtbau-state-of-the-art-thread.4232/page-20
@Torgus I've seen you group them in with Pure Turbos and RB before I thought. I'd be interested to hear your input on Hydra if you had any. Always enjoys your very insightful and grounded posts on things.
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Welp, apparently I'm an idiot or can't read..... Or both! I now see at least one other person besides you who also mentioned Hydra.
Let me go edit my post.....
Haven't see an issue with any Hydra turbos.Welp, apparently I'm an idiot or can't read..... Or both! I now see at least one other person besides you who also mentioned Hydra.
Let me go edit my post.....
