What's with all these cheap "index 12" injectors on ebay?

Mightbaal

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I see these all over eBay and some actually show -12 index. They are so cheap some say remanufactured index 9? How do they even do that or is it a crock of shit? I was looking into upgrading my index 8 and 5 injectors that were done in 2011 but it's hard to bite the 1500 for just injectors on a msrp 7999 car. Let alone installing them myself and coding them. Anyone try these things?
 

buster84

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I see these all over eBay and some actually show -12 index. They are so cheap some say remanufactured index 9? How do they even do that or is it a crock of shit? I was looking into upgrading my index 8 and 5 injectors that were done in 2011 but it's hard to bite the 1500 for just injectors on a msrp 7999 car. Let alone installing them myself and coding them. Anyone try these things?

Only buy it if it's genuine otherwise your better off buying from bmw, or your local auto parts stores who sell genuine injectors. Failing injectors have been known to cause engine failure if you drive to long with a leaking injector. If your car isn't that old is double check to see if it's still under warranty. I had mine updated with index 12 a few years ago for free from bmw because one of the injectors was leaking and causing a rough idle.
 

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Sketchy vendors trying to take advantage of the price hike.

The price increase hurts everyone except the parts supplier and BMW. It's ridiculous.
 

DS3IAM

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I guess I was lucky when I upgraded to Index 12 before the price hike!

Here is a list of Index 12 just north of $1K - similar to FCP life time warranty.

http://znmperformance.com/bmw-fuel-injector-genuine-bmw-13538648937ktznm/



Here is another list

http://znmperformance.com/bmw-fuel-injector-vdo-13538616079ktznm/

PRODUCT DESCRIPTION
This kit includes 6 BMW Fuel Injectors in the VDO brand. VDO is the O.E supplier for BMW. These injectors are Index 11 or higher, and are no different in design or performance over Genuine BMW. Being a VDO part, the BMW part number is etched off of the injector, with the VDO part number taking its presence. The injectors in this kit do not come in a Genuine BMW box, but rather a VDO box. The kit includes 6 new injectors along with 6 new decoupling elements and carry the same lifetime warranty as Genuine BMW fuel injectors.
 

veer90

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Matt Malave the CEO of ZNM was spreading misinformation on facebook regarding the differences of -937 vs -079 injectors, in an attempt to push out his old stock.

I would buy used injectors before giving that guy any money.
 
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Torgus

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Matt Malave the CEO of ZNM was spreading misinformation on facebook regarding the differences of -937 vs -079 injectors, in an attempt to push out his old stock.

I would buy used injectors before giving that guy any money.

That is sketchy AF
 

CAA

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The main question is: Someone knows what's exactly the improvements of genuine index 11 and 12 regarding of 10 or previous versions?
I seen any opinion on other forum, but does not seen very belieable.
 

veer90

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The main question is: Someone knows what's exactly the improvements of genuine index 11 and 12 regarding of 10 or previous versions?
I seen any opinion on other forum, but does not seen very belieable.

According to the N54 injector SIB, index 1-10 vs 11-12 have different internal construction and respond differently to calibration values.

I've also heard 11-12 have an updated spray pattern.
 

pysical

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Matt Malave the CEO of ZNM was spreading misinformation on facebook regarding the differences of -937 vs -079 injectors, in an attempt to push out his old stock.

I would buy used injectors before giving that guy any money.

What is the newest part number? I bought 5 from him and I want to make sure I am not getting the old shit.

Thanks.
 

pysical

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-079 is the latest

Hmm, I bought 1 injector from FCPeuro about 2 weeks ago and it is -261.

Then some stuff happened to my car and then I ordered 5 more, but from ZNM. I just contacted him and he said they are 937. I did some research and 937 and 079 are the same thing. Should I try to return my 261 to FCP and get a newer one? Or will it be fine? ZNM said 261 is universal.
 
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Gavin

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Matt Malave the CEO of ZNM was spreading misinformation on facebook regarding the differences of -937 vs -079 injectors, in an attempt to push out his old stock.

I would buy used injectors before giving that guy any money.

I would stay away from those crooks at ZNM Performance.you will learn the hard way if you go.best to do things yourself or go to someone reputable.their prices are cheaper for a reason.unexperienced group.i have been hearing this lately from few people.
 
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Matt Malave the CEO of ZNM was spreading misinformation on facebook regarding the differences of -937 vs -079 injectors, in an attempt to push out his old stock.

I would buy used injectors before giving that guy any money.

Hi,

Would love to have a civil, constructive conversation (publicly of course) on what misinformation I gave out. Furthermore, non of our stock was “old stock”. Every injector we have sold is a Genuine BMW injector ending in 937. We have sold well over 1,000 units. Furthermore- we don’t sell stock older than 8 months. Every single injector we have sold was sourced from BMW on or after 12/1/17.
 

Mightbaal

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I may have leaky injectors can feel it at start up but not sure if that's from the E60 gas I use... No codes tho... logs look good too.
 

titium

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Hmm, I bought 1 injector from FCPeuro about 2 weeks ago and it is -261.

Then some stuff happened to my car and then I ordered 5 more, but from ZNM. I just contacted him and he said they are 937. I did some research and 937 and 079 are the same thing. Should I try to return my 261 to FCP and get a newer one? Or will it be fine? ZNM said 261 is universal.

261 -12 printed on the injector body is the latest. 079/937 is what's printed on the box which doesn't matter. I assume the different part numbers are to identify injectors used under the recall campaign
 
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pysical

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261 -12 printed on the injector body is the latest. 079/937 is what's printed on the box which doesn't matter. I assume the different part numbers are to identify injectors used under the recall campaign

Thanks!
 

Rcboosted2007

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You can pick up a scan tool like schwaben and check the position of your injectors or hit up an indy shop. The long crank and heavy fue smell in oil is usually first sign
 

DS3IAM

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261 -12 printed on the injector body is the latest. 079/937 is what's printed on the box which doesn't matter. I assume the different part numbers are to identify injectors used under the recall campaign

I had nothing but great service,honesty and open communication with Matt. Anyways, here is the link straight from FCP website that will shed a light on all these part numbers.

https://www.fcpeuro.com/products/bmw-fuel-injector-kit-13538616079kt

Note: As of 3/26/2018 FCP Euro can no longer source or sell 937 injectors and will now be selling 079 injectors moving forward until further notice. BMW has blocked ordering on 937 for recalls or service under warranty only.

https://www.fcpeuro.com/products/bmw-fuel-injector-13537585261

OE NUMBERS
13538616079, 13537585261, 13537565138, 13537537317, 13538648937
 

colinod

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Matt Malave the CEO of ZNM was spreading misinformation on facebook regarding the differences of -937 vs -079 injectors, in an attempt to push out his old stock.

I would buy used injectors before giving that guy any money.
What do you know that we dont? You realize that there is no difference between the 937 and 079 index 12s, besides the fact that one is strictly for warranty replacements and the other is for anyone to freely purchase

https://blog.fcpeuro.com/difference-between-direct-fuel-injector-13538648937-and-13538616079

is fcp euro also lying in an effort to clear their backlog of "old" 937s?