VTT Cast Valve Cover

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Bmw them selves give 1 year warranty on parts and 2 years if installed by a bmw certified mechanic.

If a part has failed after install that has been running for months is different to a part that failed during install especially where you can tell it has been what looks like over tightened.

If you had multiple failures with different installers then you would have a case possibly
 

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You didn't build your car did you and as long as you dont modify it they will fix it.

If you do and they can prove it will they wont fix it and if you repair it yourself will they pay for it.

Good luck
In America, they will warranty the parts if you install them and they fail due to mfg.
 

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Bmw them selves give 1 year warranty on parts and 2 years if installed by a bmw certified mechanic.

If a part has failed after install that has been running for months is different to a part that failed during install especially where you can tell it has been what looks like over tightened.

If you had multiple failures with different installers then you would have a case possibly
There have been multiple failures due to “over torqued” fasteners. The oem gasket relies on having just the right amount of compression to seal against the head and cover. Bolts/screws need to be solidly clamped to work properly. Heat cycles causing the gasket to shrink and grow, while using this compressible gasket as the object creating the torque is a terrible fucking design Marty. That is why BMW put those pads in, and the collars on the screws. So the screws have something to clamp against and to control the gap for the gasket. If you don’t see that then you seriously need some help.
 

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There are plenty of people complaining about leaking VTT cast manifolds, so what you're saying isn't applicable. The billet VC doesn't have the weeping or leaking problems that the cast one does, which is why the cast shouldn't be sold. If it continues to be sold, then they should expect to fulfill the warranty they have on their site when people aren't happy.
 

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If it was installed by a proffesional licensed mechanic and they are leaking than yes it should be replaced under warranty.

Glad that's not how it works out here, but I mean seeing how you guys treat your indigenous people......nvm...... I've built 3 track cars so far and am on my 4th now. I've always done at least 85% of the work on my own cars (2.4l Gt35r Evo 8, Gt35r S2k, and a 98 GSX Eclipse with a 30r), so I'm more than capable of doing my own valve cover. I understand there are a lot of people who just now how to swipe a card and that's fine. Just doesn't mean people who actually enjoy working on their own cars should be penalized.
 
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Nice ad hominem attack since you know you’re wrong but can’t admit it.

I dont have an opinion just stating fact and how law works basically in any country

I have a pretty good grasp of the law as every time I walked into a court room I won.

Two of my children are lawyers.
 

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I dont have an opinion just stating fact and how law works basically in any country

I have a pretty good grasp of the law as every time I walked into a court room I won.

Two of my children are lawyers.
And I have black friends but that doesn’t mean I know what it’s like to be black. You’re reasoning behind shit is totally insane Marty, and that is not how it works here in the US.
 
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Finally came across a crack and have been trying to get it replaced, but it looks like they're going blame me and not stand by their product.
Can you post photos of the crack? I assume you have photos you sent to VTT. Curious to see.

Filippo
 

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If you don't own one, I highly recommend owning a good quality 1/4" torque wrench (for 1/4" I use a Wera and recommend it). You can go cheaper I suppose, my only warning is that a measuring device with unknown accuracy (cheap brand I can't trust) is worse than no measuring device at all. You are looking for south of 10-nm and that's pretty light.

A smidge of blue threadlocker may be helpful. But cleaning out the holes is at the top of my list. Unlike when the VC bolts are installed at the factory, those holes can be contaminated with oil, wreaking havoc on fasterner's performance, not to mention your torque readings (will invariably under-torque with oil contamination in the hole which is a lubricant). If you do an install, clean holes (cover head, squirt brake cleaner in each hole with the spray straw), consider blue threadlocker, and you let the threadlocker cure, you won't need to retorque (if you understand how this works). Some people believe in adding 15-20% torque value to a fastener with liquid threadlocker. Henkel (Loctite) specifically recommends NOT doing so. Q-tip will tell you if a hole is clean.

I personally don't use threadlocker here, nor do I retorque. If the holes are clean, the fasteners are correctly installed, they will do their job, just like they did for BMW.

I worked in two shops over a period of about a decade. I wouldn't trust anyone that is a mechanic and passed tests and received certs. Same in the two other professional fields I worked. Tests and certs are far from an ultimate indicator of someone's competence. BTW a bunch of mediocre doctors pass tests, and paper-pushing lawyers pass the BAR. Better than nothing but if one is deciding who works on one's car because of a cert ... one gets what one's discernment produces. In my current line of work, I spend a fair bit of time acquiring new clients that have had botched work done by "authorized" service people - I'd hazard a guess of 15-20% of what comes in - and I have no certs in my currently line of work, nor formal training in this case (autodidact).

No charging professional mechanic I know will go to the trouble of (in my opinion) properly preparing these cars for a valve cover gasket. Or spend the twenty minutes cleaning out the spark plug holes and threads for debris. 95% of customers would not pay for the job done this way. That's the reality of most of this industry, for which anyone who has actually worked in this industry already knows. Does this mean the mechanic's work will fail? No. Does it increase the odds of failure (premature) - absolutely.

Not criticizing anyone here that has done a VC install. Doing an N54 VC install is tricky enough to get right with a stock VC. One's odds improve with knowledge and skills that come from experience and a willingness to learn. Plenty of people with experience that lack sufficient knowledge or skill.

As a side note, my middle son is a car guy. He recently bought an N54. He has two years of auto service school in his background with ASE entry-level certification exams. We went through his car and I discussed that there are three kinds of work on the car - 1) work to pay someone else to do (way out of his realm/tools/etc) for which I set him up with a very good BMW tech, 2) work that he can do with me and learn the ropes, 3) work he can do on his own. He's executed #1 already, and very happy with the results. On #2 ... valve cover gasket and plugs were done together. We spent about 8-10 hours on that job, and that includes explanation and demonstration which slows things down a fair bit. But my point is not breaking all the shit plastic fasteners on a BMW, getting everything cleaned and prepped, gapping plugs accurately, and doing a job that has an unquestionable result takes time.

Buy a torque wrench ... worth the money!

Filippo
 
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Can you post photos of the crack? I assume you have photos you sent to VTT. Curious to see.

Filippo

Here are some pictures of it. The whole cover was hand tightened with a socket screwdriver, so if it was overtightened there should be more cracks like this all over the cover. I could see it easily being overtightened if I would’ve used my impact or torch wrench, but I specifically didn’t use anything like that because of what’s outlined on their site.

My friend that’s been helping with this build used to work at VTT. He said he has a few friends who are also trying to get parts warrantied with no luck. Guess I should’ve listened when he said to not buy anything from VTT....at least this happened with a VC and not the GC turbos I was getting ready to purchase. You live and you learn...
 

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I regret purchasing this cover. Gotta pop my hood and wipe the oil residue off every week and just knowing its there pisses me off. FOR SALE!
 
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Here are some pictures of it. The whole cover was hand tightened with a socket screwdriver, so if it was overtightened there should be more cracks like this all over the cover. I could see it easily being overtightened if I would’ve used my impact or torch wrench, but I specifically didn’t use anything like that because of what’s outlined on their site.

My friend that’s been helping with this build used to work at VTT. He said he has a few friends who are also trying to get parts warrantied with no luck. Guess I should’ve listened when he said to not buy anything from VTT....at least this happened with a VC and not the GC turbos I was getting ready to purchase. You live and you learn...
The crack in pic one would not happen from compressive force. I would say it was either mishandled or happened from shrinkage when the casting cooled. I would put money on it that VTT is not paying for FPI from the casting house to ensure the covers are crack free before machining, and is bet they’re not going through any real CMM after machining either. They really could have prevented so much of this had they just left the pads that provide the right amount of gasket squish and opened the faster holes up to use the factory collared screws so the screw collars took the clamping load and not the cover. The OE design is actually a pretty ingenious way of Murphy proofing the install.