Sputtering/misfire cyl.1 couldn’t be fuel pump?

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I noticed my car was sounding different when I accelerated hard and felt a loss of power from 4-5k rpm for a few weeks, maybe even a month. plugged in a few days ago and it was saying cylinder 1 misfire, with no other info. a couple days later I topped up the coolant a small amount and everything went back to normal, I really think that is a Coincidence but my car was pulling like a train again. I’m stuck, I’ve ordered an MHD scanner, here’s the LPFP log. Please if anyone could help

If anyone has any sort of ideas or has the same problem let me know. Me and my mechanic are struggling because the codes are useless and I don’t want to throw £££ at it if I don’t know what the issue is.

Some info on the car itself

2006 e92 bmw 335i 135k miles

MHD stage 2

Turbos replaced with oem bmw 130k
 

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I wouldn't say that the O2-sensors are okay. Like I said, those kind of lean conditions would grenade the engine instantly, if the car even ran that lean. That lean would be way too little fuel to even drive the car.

The LPFP seems to be fine. On the first log it got little low, but nothing alarming.

And it is understandable that you don't want to drive the car to not break anything. So no worries there. If the O2-sensors are malfunctioning and are the cause of the issue, the car should run way smoother (not perfect obviously) on the open loop mode when they are unplugged.
So the issue is fuel related from the logs. Okay that’s a good step in the right direction. That’s good to know.

Yeah I don’t know why that was. From the...

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cant see shit from a screencap of a log but at least i can see you have a shitload of timing corrections
running the wrong map?
I don’t think so? Just mhd stage 2, it’s been running/driving/pulling fine in the last 6 months and then randomly started sputtering maybe a month ago? Noticed in the last week my engine sometimes is idling higher that usual. But in most of my logs my timings are 0. If I’m honest I’m very new to logging info so any tips would be amazing.

Most times I’m putting my foot down I noticed the my lpfp psi is dropping a lot when I’m going through second gear. The green line is my rpm and when it touch 6.8k revs my lpfp is 48psi in that log I took and posted.

What should I do?
 

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lpfp pressure is low but i must ask, are you running 95 oct/102 ron gas? cause thats the map you have flashed right now
do a full pull in 3rd/4th gear please...2nd is too short to see what it is doing under load?
 

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Yes that’s what I’m using, usually the fuel is 99oct round where I am and I always pay for the premium fuel.

and I will do that tomorrow, but usually get the misfire flooring through 2-3rd will do 3rd tomorrow, I’m about to order stage2 LPFP, what do u think? I’ve had 0 issues since putting the map on until last few weeks. I’m stuck!

Thanks for getting back to me bro. Really appreciate it
 
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i dont see anything wrong with the lpfp pressure or hpfp pressure but the car is overboosting leading to throttle closure and you have shitloads of timing corrections in the log

are you running stock turbos?
if yes, try flashing the v7 map, reset all adapations and take a log again
if not, get a custom tune
Stock OEM turbos that were installed november last year.

I will flash the V7 maps now and get back to you.

It says on the app “Former V7 Maps” is that the correct one?
 

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V7 log, no timing corrections. Still misfiring cyl 1 on hard acceleration.

no timing corrections in this log but you are running a lower octane map
car is still overboosting and running into throttle closure....

aftermarket inlets?
if yes, custom tune, if no, check wastegate actuator movement
 

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How would I check that bud? And yeah when I changed the maps over I thought I’d go for a 95ron as the fuel round here isn’t the best sometimes. Regarding the fuel I picked what should I do? Leave it or change it back to previous 98oct?

Stock inlets, 1st n 2nd good regarding pulling, feels smoother than the v10 map but 3rd-4th really struggling
 

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on second thought, you are overboosting not under... ignore my previous comment it was 5AM when i posted it....
im out of ideas tbh short of a custom tune to lower your wgdc

check what your gas station is selling though.... oct and ron are two different measurements...since you mentioned pounds i guess you are from the UK? should be 93oct/98ron iirc
 
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on second thought, you are overboosting not under... ignore my previous comment it was 5AM when i posted it....
im out of ideas tbh short of a custom tune to lower your wgdc

check what your gas station is selling though.... oct and ron are two different measurements...since you mentioned pounds i guess you are from the UK? should be 93oct/98ron iirc
on second thought, you are overboosting not under... ignore my previous comment it was 5AM when i posted it....
im out of ideas tbh short of a custom tune to lower your wgdc

check what your gas station is selling though.... oct and ron are two different measurements...since you mentioned pounds i guess you are from the UK? should be 93oct/98ron iirc
Boys this shit be confusing the shit outta me😂 I’ve been doing my research. Haha!

So I’m thinking I need to do another flash today? Could the sputtering/fuel cut/misfire be LPFP related or is it just map related? Or something silly like coils/sparks or even injectors? I’m stuck honestly because the car itself seems to driving good until I put my foot down.. I sctually noticed yesterday i was idling fairly higher than usual, turned on and off and back to norm.

Again, thanks for you responses
 

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Pretty sure UK uses RON measurements. So agreed that there seems to be some confusion with what maps to choose.
So we have oct/ron 95oct is standard fuel in the uk, I always put the 98/99oct and pay a lil bit extra for better quality fuel. But I’m stuck, idk what to do
 

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So we have oct/ron 95oct is standard fuel in the uk, I always put the 98/99oct and pay a lil bit extra for better quality fuel. But I’m stuck, idk what to do
Just to clarify, as previously mentioned Octane (OCT) and Reareach Octane Number (RON) are two different things. In the US, we go by OCT, in the UK it goes by RON. 93 OCT gas in the US is roughly equivalent to 98 RON gas in the UK regarding knock resistance.

If you're running a 95oct/102ron map, but putting in 98 ron fuel, you're running the wrong map for your fuel. You should try running the 93oct/98ron map and see how that works👍
 

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Boys this shit be confusing the shit outta me😂 I’ve been doing my research. Haha!

So I’m thinking I need to do another flash today? Could the sputtering/fuel cut/misfire be LPFP related or is it just map related? Or something silly like coils/sparks or even injectors? I’m stuck honestly because the car itself seems to driving good until I put my foot down.. I sctually noticed yesterday i was idling fairly higher than usual, turned on and off and back to norm.

Again, thanks for you responses

i would check turbo wastegate tightness first, i dont see any issue with lpfp/coil/spark yet at least
i suspect your wastegates are too tight (shutting too early) causing overboost issues running ots maps

Using a vacuum hand pump is the ideal cost affective approach. Downpipes should be off so you can feel the flapper itself go to zero lash against the valve seat when applying vacuum, but you maybe able to accomplish it "close enough" by feeling the lack of "lash" in the wastegate lever itself. That is your call to make.

Essentially you vacuum pump the wastegate actuator to approx. 5.5in/Hg as you feel the play decrease to nearly nothing between the flapper and the housing seat. Once you get to 6in/Hg, there should be no lash and there should be some "resistance" in rotating the flapper as it sits on the seat of the turbine housing. Doing the test several times after adjustment helps get the feel of it and also confirm your results of adjustment. I try to aim for no play and some resistance in turning the flapper around 5.8-5.9in/Hg, and start to feel a little play to no play around 5.6-5.7in/Hg. By 5.5in/Hg the play should be fairly evident. You want to adjust both turbos using the same method. This procedure is something I semi reverse engineered from the BMW TIS, and from bench testing many sets of turbo take offs. If you can find anything better, or seemingly more accurate, let me know because from what I have seen there's not much out there.

About Wastegate Rattle.
First off, every component in these Internal Wastegates wear out. They are JUNK after some mileage.

1) The Flapper is where I believe alot of the more renouned rattle takes place, as it can resonate against the turbine housing seat when its lightly seated or also as it spins while open from the exhaust gas pulses. The clearances in the flapper to the wastegate arm seem to always be VERY worn out, when manually spinning on axis by hand you can hear it rattle as it rotates/flops around.
2) The wastegate arm and internal bushing. These too become very sloppy over time. I believe they can cause some rattle as well, but I dont believe it's as noted as the flapper above. The bushing and arm DO wear significantly though and usually end up binding, which can cause the wastegate arm travel to degrade and perform poorly. It also can cause the flapper to not close all the way which can lead to more rattle. The excess clearances in this area due to wear require further adjustment to the actuator rod. This is why the dealers try to usually adjust the actuators (or replace/adjust them) initially. That is to shorten the rod, making up for the slop in the worn bushing, and allowing the flapper to seat under the defined amount of vacuum. This will buy some time, but certainly does not fix the problem.
3) The Actuator Rod End to Wastegate Lever Pin. This is the part you believe is causing the rattle in your car. I am sure it does contribute to some rattling, but certainly is not all of it. If this is what you are trying to counter, for now, I'd recommend a low load disc spring washer. I haven't tried them myself yet, but I have found a couple sizes I believe would work perfectly to remedy this area of the rattling.
4) All components. Even new there are clearances in these components. Some rattle (a very tiny amount) is somewhat normal. But its when things begin to wear, it becomes intolerable, and they are very prone to wearing all throughout.

https://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?p=10240767#post10240767
 
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Just to clarify, as previously mentioned Octane (OCT) and Reareach Octane Number (RON) are two different things. In the US, we go by OCT, in the UK it goes by RON. 93 OCT gas in the US is roughly equivalent to 98 RON gas in the UK regarding knock resistance.

If you're running a 95oct/102ron map, but putting in 98 ron fuel, you're running the wrong map for your fuel. You should try running the 93oct/98ron map and see how that works👍
What I don’t understand is I’ve had the same map on my car for 6 months and only just recently started misfiring etc. Very confusing stuff😂 n54 always causing me problems, turbos are spanking new as well, I will change the map later and let you know how it goes.
 

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