Spool IGN Or PR IGN Coils

Gavin

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Looking into new coil pack setup,I found these red coils on Facebook,is there a difference between these and the PR coils?Are these just a copy of the Original?From reading and found that they are saying that the red Coil setup is better then the Blue PR setup.before i buy just looking for some more solid info.I didnt know there was a red setup available.
 

scrllock

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Spool is just selling PR coils with different colors. Where are they saying these are better? All I saw was an Instagram post asking what colors people might like to see them in.
 

scrllock

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Don't see any claims like that but I've heard some shady stuff about the misfire race dude. Don't know what would be "better" they're already quite reliable and they're not a power adder.
 
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Spool coils are knock offs. If you're reading about them on N5X World you're seeing a very, very biased side as the admins are associated with shitfire racing and get kickbacks so they push their products incessantly.

PR has better wires (the thicker wire doesn't mean it's better) with injection molded boots modeled after the stock coil, injection molded adapters, and the coils were actually tested as opposed to copied and produced somewhere unknown.

PR are definitely not LS, not related in the slightest, not one bit. The casing and internal spools are Mercury Marine Racing but the actually innards are made to spec from wire gauge to wrap ratio and total windings to inductive core.
 
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Gavin

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Don't see any claims like that but I've heard some shady stuff about the misfire race dude. Don't know what would be "better" they're already quite reliable and they're not a power adder.

this is one of the posts.obviously its a opinion,theres no testing done between the 2 but none the less it seems it might be bias since its in a group with just these coils.I know the PR Coils are great coils,its a shame when others jump on the wagon and make similar products but its that world we live in.
Heres Quote:
Dariell Torres Raul Trevino smart coils. By spool. They are like PR coils just better and bigger gauge wire and no need to de-pin the wire and uses oem style connectors.(End Quote)
 

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Can you easily install both on the other side of the VC vs. stock location?
 

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I think the ST guys just get the N55 coils but I'm not 100% sure on that, maybe V8bait can confirm

Yeah you can use the n55 hardware on n54, n55 just has too much in the way to fit on top of the valve cover. Seen people mount them in many other places too, advantage of using wires is you can honestly mount coils anywhere. Here's a picture from the alpha testing long ago for example, I need to save the other's I see.
 

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9krpmrx8

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These kits use Mercury Marine IGN coils (or aftermarket equivalents). PR says the coils they use have a different winding. AEM sells some as well and incorrectly calls them "LS1 dumb coils". You can buy the coils from many places.

Spool has agreed to no longer selling the kit and while it was for the F series N55, I made it work on my E series N55 and it works great on my FBO E50 tuned E90 335i.

I do really like the Spool coil bracket though and the quality of the coils and wires is really good, although I cannot compare to the PR kit, as I have not installed one.

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scrllock

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I do really like the Spool coil bracket though and the quality of the coils and wires is really good, although I cannot compare to the PR kit, as I have not installed one.

Did you have to do any trimming of the manifold with the spool bracket? Only complaints I've heard about the N55 PR setup is the bracket fitment seemed a bit rough in terms of the trimming and bending required. Also not sure how it'll fit with the BMS intake, the only N55e setups I've seen are like yours with the injen.
 

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Did you have to do any trimming of the manifold with the spool bracket? Only complaints I've heard about the N55 PR setup is the bracket fitment seemed a bit rough in terms of the trimming and bending required. Also not sure how it'll fit with the BMS intake, the only N55e setups I've seen are like yours with the injen.

No, no trimming is required, just bent the two mounts to get it to sit as close as possible to the intake manifold. But yeah on the E series I bet some fiddling will be required for the BMS as well even though it sits lower. But the PR seems to fit well once you flip the coil or whatever is needed for the intake to clear.

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These kits use Mercury Marine IGN coils (or aftermarket equivalents). PR says the coils they use have a different winding. AEM sells some as well and incorrectly calls them "LS1 dumb coils". You can buy the coils from many places.

Spool has agreed to no longer selling the kit and while it was for the F series N55, I made it work on my E series N55 and it works great on my FBO E50 tuned E90 335i.

I do really like the Spool coil bracket though and the quality of the coils and wires is really good, although I cannot compare to the PR kit, as I have not installed one.

This is still VERY wrong, I feel like a broken record here. The shell of the coil is Mercury Marine. However, PR (and hopefully Spool) are in NO WAY SHAPE OR FORM mercury marine OEM coils, other than a few base specs that lend themselves very well towards reliability in those marine applications. The Mercury Marine coil is CDI.... what that means is the resistance is around .05 ohms on the primary, 10x lower than factory BMW coils. This is because CDI coils use step-up transformers to charge with hundreds of volts input, which translates to hundreds of thousands of volts output, but they charge for an EXTREMELY short period "dwell" and fire multiple sparks in succession. This isn't like multispark at all, CDI is NOT the same as inductive coils. If Spool is using Mercury Marine coils like many say they are, then you are going to run into issues with 1) current limiting on the DME due to 0.05 ohm load drawing WAY too much current even at 1ms dwell, generally manifests by ignition shutoff when it overheats for about 30 minutes to cool, or could burn the DME. 2) Low output as CDI coils are designed for high voltage, low current, multiple successive sparks with a CDI ignition system. 3) Failed coils by overheating. 4) Poor performance of the coil... we actually tested the MM ones during development with inductive drivers for fun and they handled being overdriven surprisingly well, still outperformed BMW, but you cannot and I'll say this again CANNOT use CDI coils with the N54, N55, or any inductive ignition system or something will eventually break.

If you run other coils (msd aem etc) make sure they are INDUCTIVE not CDI as they make both versions. You will have to figure out dwell as it will be different. The AEM dumb coil might be a dumb version of the LS coil, there's nothing keeping them from using LS coil specs. My testing results of the LS truck coil are posted it's good but not great, especially for high rpm. Needs too much dwell and that pushes duty cycle up when revving to 6k or higher. Specs on PR were chosen for a reason assuming 8k rpm targets for full dwell without exceeding 40% duty cycle.
 
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9krpmrx8

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The Mercury IGN-1 is not CDI, the IGN-1CD is. At least from what specs and part #'s I have found. And the IGN-1's have been in use on many applications for a long time, using these coils is nothing new. I have experience using the us the Mercury Marine IGN-1A and D585 GM Yukon coils on other platforms with good results but I am no expert on the subject. I personally prefer the Spool bracket and the wiring, etc. all seems nice and I checked everyone for continuity before installing and everything was great. Either way the kit works well for me and it's not for sale any longer so it's really a moot issue I guess.
 
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I probably should know the answer to this, but I don’t, so I am going to ask: How do you know when you need to upgrade coilpacks?

I am ps2 (n55) running a conservative tune (18psi and 9 degrees of timing at redline) and my logs are great. My coilpacks are original with about 55k miles on them. I have no idea if upgrading the coilpacks is a worthwhile mod. Can anyone share some insight please?