Technical Bad LPFP?

RabbitOLychee

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Hey peeps,

Really quick. When I start my 335i up (N54) on cold startup, it almost stalls as if it's not fueling correctly, then after 5 seconds of roughness, it goes good. I also get weak LPFP readouts on WOT around 50-60 psi max but it's all over the place.. (HPFP is fine)

Reckon it's the LPFP without a log?, replacing it tomorrow anyhow but just want some input :) Thanks
 

ap485

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Are you running stock lpfp? If you upgraded the lpfp then looks for leaks at the pump output line inside the tank. Also, it could be the bad fuel filter/regulator assembly.
 

RabbitOLychee

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Are you running stock lpfp? If you upgraded the lpfp then looks for leaks at the pump output line inside the tank. Also, it could be the bad fuel filter/regulator assembly.
Hey AP485,

Yeah it's the original LPFP from factory, me and others have noticed that the PSI of the LPFP is very inconsistent and it's only reading about 55-60 PSI full WOT and it would dip from 60 to 54 then back up to 58 sometimes 62 but rare.. and Heard these should be 70-85 PSI average for a good LPFP.

Replacing it today so hopefully solves the odd startup as if it's nearly going to stall.
 

pysical

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The LPFP will be all over the place when doing a WOT pull. This is common. The only issue you don't want to see is it dipping down and staying down. If I remember right, anything under 40 and it would need to be investigated.

I run 2 Walbro 535s and the BPM4 and mine also does it.

I would pull your plugs in the morning and check them. They are most likely going to be wet from leaky injectors leaking over night filling the cylinder up with fuel which causing it to run rough until its all out. Do you get smoke in the morning on a cold start?
 

RabbitOLychee

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May 23, 2022
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The LPFP will be all over the place when doing a WOT pull. This is common. The only issue you don't want to see is it dipping down and staying down. If I remember right, anything under 40 and it would need to be investigated.

I run 2 Walbro 535s and the BPM4 and mine also does it.

I would pull your plugs in the morning and check them. They are most likely going to be wet from leaky injectors leaking over night filling the cylinder up with fuel which causing it to run rough until its all out. Do you get smoke in the morning on a cold start?
Hey pysical,

Yeah how weird.. But my LPFP now is staying at a steady 80-85 psi and on WOT it's locked on 85 psi and it feels a bit better to drive to be honest.

Yeah I do get a fair bit of smoke in the morning matter as fact and I seem to notice a VERY small misfire upon cold start for about 3 minutes, like it's a very small misfire but enough to notice if u put ur ear near the exhaust
 

pysical

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Hey pysical,

Yeah how weird.. But my LPFP now is staying at a steady 80-85 psi and on WOT it's locked on 85 psi and it feels a bit better to drive to be honest.

Yeah I do get a fair bit of smoke in the morning matter as fact and I seem to notice a VERY small misfire upon cold start for about 3 minutes, like it's a very small misfire but enough to notice if u put ur ear near the exhaust
Did you make any changes to anything? 80-85 steady is nice.
 

RabbitOLychee

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Did you make any changes to anything? 80-85 steady is nice.
Nah man no changes at all and I do agree it's very good, car actually runs very smooth but still missing that torque feel, says on MHD that it makes 700 but it doesn't feel like it
 

Jeffman

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I run 2 Walbro 535s and the BPM4 and mine also does it.
Have you ever changed the fuel filter / regulator unit in the tank on the other side? I also run a single Walbro an BPM4 and my LPFP pressures also bump around a lot in the 50-60ish range. I haven’t yet replaced my fuel filter / regulator (72K miles, I’m original owner)
 

pysical

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Jun 16, 2017
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Have you ever changed the fuel filter / regulator unit in the tank on the other side? I also run a single Walbro an BPM4 and my LPFP pressures also bump around a lot in the 50-60ish range. I haven’t yet replaced my fuel filter / regulator (72K miles, I’m original owner)
I have a new assembly on that side and blocked the FPR. I run a inline filter and PR fpr.
 
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doublespaces

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Have you ever changed the fuel filter / regulator unit in the tank on the other side? I also run a single Walbro an BPM4 and my LPFP pressures also bump around a lot in the 50-60ish range. I haven’t yet replaced my fuel filter / regulator (72K miles, I’m original owner)
While on this subject, I never finished but I have an aeromotive FPR and intended to use a reflex or some other tool to monitor a second LPFP at a higher frequency, after my PI rail. I had some dips. Same fueling system, dual 535. The strange thing, IIRC, is right after this I would get a massive negative fuel trim like my PI kicked on late, although I was told it just wasn't getting any fuel. Not sure what to believe.
 

Jeffman

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While on this subject, I never finished but I have an aeromotive FPR and intended to use a reflex or some other tool to monitor a second LPFP at a higher frequency, after my PI rail. I had some dips. Same fueling system, dual 535. The strange thing, IIRC, is right after this I would get a massive negative fuel trim like my PI kicked on late, although I was told it just wasn't getting any fuel. Not sure what to believe.
It sounds to me like your massive negative fuel trim is likely due to the PI. I used to run a throttle body injection (TBI) ring which was a waste of time. It would activate using a 15 psi Hobbs switch- I would always get huge negative trims as a result.
 

doublespaces

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It sounds to me like your massive negative fuel trim is likely due to the PI. I used to run a throttle body injection (TBI) ring which was a waste of time. It would activate using a 15 psi Hobbs switch- I would always get huge negative trims as a result.

The strange thing is I'm told it is activating at the right RPM. The problem is, trying to decipher this AIC map is a little more difficult than my little brain can handle apparently. Judging by my calculations, with the n20 map sensor and whatever else goes into that, I thought it could be enabled a bit sooner but like I said, I'm told the lean to rich spike was due to lack of fuel at that RPM and not the activation RPM. I've seen some logs with pressure bouncing around, sometimes in completely acceptable range, but am told the resolution of that sensor doesn't tell the whole story hence my desire to log it properly with something external. I also did a dumb and chose 72# injectors as well, so that likely doesn't help. I haven't actually touched this problem on my car for a year and a half, so lots of these details are far from fresh.

@RabbitOLychee
Aside from not enough fuel on startup, you may want to consider leaky injectors. But assuming it's not that, if you have a leak as was suggested above, this would allow air in the pressurized line and would create a stumbling problem.

Less likely to be your issue, but some aftermarket fuel controllers don't blip the pump at key-on and therefore don't build pressure correctly. Some after market pumps don't have a 1-way valve, so all the primed fuel just leaks back into the tank.