Hybrid twins to single tuning expenses

[JMVELA]

Hi guys! I have been tuning with same tuner for over 4 years for hybrid twin turbos. I have done over 10 tunes (that I have paid) over these 4 years. This means that my tuner has my car dialed up perfectly. He knows where all should be appropriately set. Car has been running good and strong. I do believe he is an amazing tuner.

My conflicts comes here, now I have decided to go to single turbo and have asked him how much he would charge for this tune and he want to charge almost 2.5 times what he normally charge me for hybrid twin tune.

This being said, I understand that he having my car dialed in perfectly, it shouldn't take that much dialing in the car with the single turbo set up. Is I am right or there is lot of things that changes once you go from twin to single? Is the price right to charge more than double of what it is charge from twin to single when car is tuned? Nothing else has change. Only changes are going form twin turbo to single turbo.

Thanks for your assistance.

 

[Slowagon54]

Long story short, get V8bait tuning your car.

 

[Cruizinmax]

Having your car perfectly dialed on hybrid twins has no bearing on the amount of time or steps necessary to tune the car on a single turbo.

Boost control strategy is completely different, ve of the engine will be much different, optimum cam angles will be different, timing curve could be different. Basically everything that a tuner will adjust when tuning the car will not carry over when changing from twins to a single.

 

[Cruizinmax]

Also if your tuner can't explain the differences between tuning a hybrid car and single turbo, I would be shopping for a new tuner.

 

[JMVELA]

Also if your tuner can't explain the differences between tuning a hybrid car and single turbo, I would be shopping for a new tuner.

The tuner just said what you said, "lot of things needs to be re-adjusted."

But the question is, is that that much that it is needes to charge almost 2.5 times what he usually does for twin?

 

[Slowagon54]

I am not sure why you question your tuner after 4 years of "partnership". If he is good (i mean, why else would you be with him for 4 years), just pay the guy

Going bargain on a custom tune is a bad option. And if you find a cheaper tuner, make sure you wont pay him twice...

 

[JMVELA]

I am not sure why you question your tuner after 4 years of "partnership". If he is good (i mean, why else would you be with him for 4 years), just pay the guy

Going bargain on a custom tune is a bad option. And if you find a cheaper tuner, make sure you wont pay him twice...

That is not my question sir. Obviously, if I have to pay what he is asking, I would go another route (will go with somone with more experience on single turbo tuning). Money is not the issue dude!! I completely understand that tuning is very important to keep you engine running strong for long time without damages (related to tuning).

 

[Slowagon54]

Sure mate, keep us posted.

 

[colo_evo]

Paid 10x for a tune? Seems a little excessive. The tune doesn't change that much going to different setups.

 

[Slowagon54]

If you do some hardware changes the tuner is right to ask for some money if you ask me.

 

[JMVELA]

If you do some hardware changes the tuner is right to ask for some money if you ask me.

Mate, once again you are off subject. Surely the tuner has the right to charge for his work, no one should have issues with that, nor do I. The issue is the difference in prices from hybrid twin turbo tuning to single turbo tuning charges and even more disagreement when the tuner has the car dialed in. That is all the question Mate.
Lets put it this way, would there is that much of difference - in tuning process - that we have to pay (this is not the amount he is charging, this is an example) $430 for tuning charges (single turbo) when you has paid (multiple times) $175 for hybrid twin turbo tuning?
My question is, (once again), is there is that much of work (tuning process) that tuner needs to charge more than the double from one tune to the other? Shouldn't the price be the same from one tune to the other?
Maybe this is a question for people with tuning experinece and that has had the experience tuning on both scenarios.

 

[Slowagon54]

Relax mate, i was responding to colo_evo's post.

 

[Zelderlee]

Hi guys! I have been tuning with same tuner for over 4 years for hybrid twin turbos. I have done over 10 tunes (that I have paid) over these 4 years. This means that my tuner has my car dialed up perfectly. He knows where all should be appropriately set. Car has been running good and strong. I do believe he is an amazing tuner.

My conflicts comes here, now I have decided to go to single turbo and have asked him how much he would charge for this tune and he want to charge almost 2.5 times what he normally charge me for hybrid twin tune.

This being said, I understand that he having my car dialed in perfectly, it shouldn't take that much dialing in the car with the single turbo set up. Is I am right or there is lot of things that changes once you go from twin to single? Is the price right to charge more than double of what it is charge from twin to single when car is tuned? Nothing else has change. Only changes are going form twin turbo to single turbo.

Thanks for your assistance.

He definitely is going to have to create a whole new tune and twins boost faster than a single so that actually changes a lot from what I've seen when getting tuned.

 

[wheela]

With stock twins, he can basically keep the stock compressor characteristics base map, and tweak as needed. With a single, the whole compressor map is different so it will be much more work to dial the single vs. stock twins. Being fully dialed on twins before hand has no bearing on this, as you're moving to an entirely different turbo which changes your compressor map and back pressure due to the different turbine. This would change how much timing you can run for a given load. Your tuner understands this, which is why they're quoting more to tune the single. 2.5x more? I don't know. Perusing a few different tuner's websites it seems common for big singles to cost marginally more than stock turbos, but I haven't seen 2.5x more. It may come down to if they have a base map for that turbo developed from work with previous customers. If you're not comfortable with the price, I'd shop around a bit to see what's out there. And stick with tuners with known good reputations.

 

[SlowE93]

Ill join in and bump last years thread

 

[wheela]

If bumping old threads is cool, consider me Miles Davis.