Diagnostic scanners

fmorelli

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Aug 11, 2017
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Virginia
Not sure which forum to post this on, so just put it here. I'm looking for a handheld scanner, multi-car. I mostly deal with European cars but that said, Murphy's law. I also deal with diesels. I've been looking at the Foxwell NT644 Pro and the iCarsoft CR Pro. General capabilities include live stream, DPF regen, battery coding, injectors, ABS, steering, and typical diag you'd expect. Both models will interact with pretty much any make/model. These are in the $3-400 price range:
Overview of Foxwell model capabilities: http://www.foxwellsupport.com/foxwell-nt520-vs-nt510-vs-nt644-vs-nt624-vs-nt414/
Foxwell NT644 Pro
iCarsoft CR Pro

Any input/advice/alternatives to consider? I've done some research and this just seems like a dark hole.

Filippo
 
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Garvis

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Dec 31, 2018
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PA
How long have you had the Autel and have you had any issues with any certain makes/models?
 

Kaane

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Jan 7, 2019
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I've had like 10 scanners over the years. None of them are perfect, but autel is very good, it's the same software as their 4K scanner. There are some features that dont work on some makes, but its rare. I've had the autel about a year now.

I have a OTC Encore as well, which is pretty good but its pricier.

Launch is ok as well, but for $699 nothing comes close to the autel.

I still have a ISTA-D and ISTA-P with ICOM for when I really need to dig in, but for the most part the autel is sufficient for 99% of all tasks.
 
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fmorelli

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Aug 11, 2017
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Thanks @Kaane for that feedback. I had not looked at the autel ds808. I wanted to compare it to the Foxwell NT644 Pro and iCarSoft CR Pro ... but having one heckuva time doing the +/-.

Filippo
 

Tuppidsay

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Aug 3, 2017
76
Seattle, WA
Launch's x-431 line is very good. Professional level like the autel. I also believe it is more capable and better hardware than the autel. But definately cant beat the autel price for the casual user. I have both Autel, Launch (matco tools rebrand) as well as snap-on etc in the shop. Launch is the go to but again, professional shop environment. I haven't updated my autel in awhile but the launch has added things like default coding, limited retrofit and personaization coding.
 

fmorelli

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Aug 11, 2017
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@Tuppidsay thanks for the tip, and the comparison. I hit Launch's web site, plus downloaded the product catalogs. Pretty difficult to discern what's the difference between the model variants - Torque, Pro, Pro3, yadda yadda. Any insight? Also I should ask, is there an annual license fee?

Filippo
 

Tuppidsay

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Aug 3, 2017
76
Seattle, WA
Throttle and torque are the latest and greatest, the hardware is new and fast and can actually be used as android tablets well, as in the hardware is actually good.

Throttle is the newest top of the line. (matco maximus 3.0) It does everything the Torque does and adds expansion module compatibility. It does not come with expension modules but you can purchase an oscilliscope, sensor box, bore scope, battery and charging system tester, etc that all use the Throttle as their respective controle units.

Torque is everything throttle is minus the expansion compatibility. (matco maxiflex)

Pad II-AE and the pro and pro3 are all old, like 4-5 years old. Like the newer ones, they are android based and work great as scan tools but the other functions they brag about using it as an andoid tablets are pretty weak due to hardware limitations.

Pad II-AE is the previous generation throttle. Also rebaged at the Matco Maximus 2.0 . This is the scanner I use everyday and have for the last 4 years.

Pro and Pro3 I have not used but are more of the same, basically android tablets is rugged casses.

Launch, Matco, Autel all run their software "subscriptions" like this. You buy the unit and you get 1 year of free updates. Updates come out almost daily adding new vehicle years, models, modules, special functions for modules, etc. When your year runs out. You can update to the newest software versions available the day your subscription ended. You unit still works and has all the functions it just cant be updated further without buying another subscription. Year subscriptions are generally 700-900$ Now if your working on cars say 5 years or older. chances are, there aren't many updates coming out that target the vehicles you are working on. In my shop we get year old cars and even current model year cars so active yearly subscriptions are a must. Many times i have not had a function in a newer car that i needed, only to check for and update, update it and find that i now have the function. but i know a lot of independant shop guys that work on cars generally after their warranty runs out 5years old or so that don't update but every few years.

My autel units are several years old and have not been updated so i do not know the current softwares capability but i will say that when my autel units were updated along side my matco/launch, they were almost identical is capability.

Snap on specifically is the only one i can think of off the top of my head that doesn't do a "subscription" but actually releases updates a few times a year and can afaik only be updated by the snapon dealer (tool truck). These updates are 800-900$ each.

hope this helps.
 
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